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Nindiri

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I like you, Yip. You seem to enjoy aviation for its own sake instead of it being simply a means to an end, a quality sadly lacking with a lot of the people on this board. And some of your opinions are interesting, even when they're wrong, like your long-time argument that a 4-year degree is a waste of valuable flying time.

But you amuse me sometimes. I mean, seriously, it's your "duty" to point out the other side? Did you have to swear allegiance or something? :)
 

pilotyip

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I like you, Yip. You seem to enjoy aviation for its own sake instead of it being simply a means to an end, a quality sadly lacking with a lot of the people on this board. And some of your opinions are interesting, even when they're wrong, like your long-time argument that a 4-year degree is a waste of valuable flying time.

But you amuse me sometimes. I mean, seriously, it's your "duty" to point out the other side? Did you have to swear allegiance or something? :)
I also find an amusement element in posting here also, it has been a fantastic adventure and I don't know how much I would change.
 

Vingus

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Yip,


I have an extensive military flying/non-flying background. I'm currently still serving in a non-flying billet in the reserves and am actually deployed as I type. My life has been an "adventure" as well.

My point with my attacks against you has been this. Being a major airline pilot is one of the last good paying jobs out there. Sure, there is medicine, law and business as well. But as far as a skilled profession, being an airline pilot can still make one quite comfortable. Constantly saying that one should be doing this job just because you love it and stating that you don't need a college degree to do such a rote task such as flying airplanes just furthers the argument to lower our pay.

If enough people keep talking like you do about doctors, the same result might happen to them. So what if they went to med school, many pilots had years of flight training (at least the good ones did). All they do is look in your mouth and have them say "ahh". Anyone can do it!

I'm glad you like your job. I like flying too. But I do it for more than the fun of flying and I expect to be paid to the level of my responsibility and training. Like I have said to you on another thread, maybe I just had good timing or luck but I'm glad I have finally gotten to the level where I currently am. I started my "adventure" back in 1990 and have finally gotten to a point where I can provide for my family to a comfortable level.

Maybe I should just move into a condo, have my kids take on huge student debt, not fund a comfortable retirement and just enjoy working for a discount.

Remember, it's not what you deserve (although I do feel that I deserve to make what I do), it's what you negotiate!!!! If you have no leverage at your current position in life, then you better get comfortable where you are.

It seems that you have, just stop busting our balls for trying to maintain this profession into one worth having.
 

pilotyip

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Yip,
I have an extensive military flying/non-flying background. I'm currently still serving in a non-flying billet in the reserves and am actually deployed as I type. My life has been an "adventure" as well.

It seems that you have, just stop busting our balls for trying to maintain this profession into one worth having.


Glad to see you are putting that 14 years of active duty into your retirement points system. I did 26 years combined active and reserve, it is going to make my retirement much nicer and secure. I think I understand your frustration with this career, having experienced much of it myself. But after many failed airlines my focus has become "don't rock the boat" the job might disappear. So I post my concerns, and it appears I am busting balls. Please do not take me too seriously.

BTW How much to the two pilots from our outfit who when to SWA without degrees lower the bar on pay?
 

BeachBummer

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I like you, Yip. You seem to enjoy aviation for its own sake instead of it being simply a means to an end, a quality sadly lacking with a lot of the people on this board. And some of your opinions are interesting, even when they're wrong, like your long-time argument that a 4-year degree is a waste of valuable flying time.

But you amuse me sometimes. I mean, seriously, it's your "duty" to point out the other side? Did you have to swear allegiance or something? :)

There is a difference in having blind love for aviation and having a career that pays the mortgage. If you own a plane and fly for fun, just love aviation. If you fly for a living, it's about money and quality of life. Big difference.
 

pilotyip

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There is a difference in having blind love for aviation and having a career that pays the mortgage. If you own a plane and fly for fun, just love aviation. If you fly for a living, it's about money and quality of life. Big difference.
Could not agree more, you need a certain level of money to pay the mortgage, that has never been a problem in my career. There has always been another job out there. QOL, that is for the individual to determine. What I consider a satisfactory QOL, may not fit another's definition. I always move to my base, commuting really eats up your time. My QOL has been good, mainly because I am doing what I like.

It is my job as an employee is about what I can give and not upon what I can take. If I don't like a job and feel I am not being treated failry, I find another job.

I am coming into retirement in good financal shape. This career has been an adventure with many unplanned turns over which I have had no control. So the best to you and at age 70 when you look back you will be satisfied wit hwhat you have done.
 

Cheeta

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Okay so here's what's going on at JetBlue and the card drive that is backed and surreptitiously ran by blue truth pilots. They have well over 60% cards in hand. They are waiting on two things to file 1 Alpa and 2 an annual pay review that will increase JetBlue pilots paid 14%, Which the company is holding hostage as leverage to settle 3A later this year or early in the new year. DB Has set up a draconian regional airline management style at JetBlue. This management style has basically guted the culture that 80% of the pilots were hired into. While Neeleman was never really pro pilot he was pro employee and set up a culture at JetBlue that treated everyone well and gave you multiple avenues to achieve quality-of-life at pretty good pay. DB has striped JetBlue of that entire program and has Now set up a management team and style that disseminates propaganda that insults pilots intelligence because this propaganda flies in the face of realities that both the pilot group and their families live with every day.

The JetBlue pilot group will be union with in a year of today's date without question.
 

BeachBummer

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I find it amazing that you know the % of cards on hand and even more amazing that your sharing it on e Internet... Amazing.
 

Cheeta

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I find it amazing that you know the % of cards on hand and even more amazing that your sharing it on e Internet... Amazing.

Do you believe for one minute that the management at JetBlue doesn't know plus or minus a few percent how many cards have been attained? if you do you're a fool. The whole secret and surreptitious car drive is actually hurting the pilot group one many people are uninformed of this card drive and two the company is using it as a tool against all the pilots.
 

Ski-N-Fly

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Cheeta, there are only a few people who know the exact number of cards collected. You are not one of them. Also, anyone who is waiting on a pay review is a sucker.
 

A350

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Holy @#$^.....are there really people out there who don't believe that the health of the company they work for DIRECTLY relates to the HEALTH of their careers and therefore the security of their FAMILIES? (Especially in a specialized, seniority based system)

Only a moron would stand behind a union, whose sole business purpose is to siphon enough money off its membership to pay bloated payscales to paper pushers while allowing its members to sign off on contracts to pay its members HALF what the paper pushers make!

I don't understand how anyone can not understand this concept. Healthy company = healthy career and therefore, money and security for the family. While there are always exceptions to this, JetBlue is not this exception.

Healthy union does not equal healthy company. YIP understands this and you guys crap all over him for it. He is a pilot just like you.....and you think that because he doesn't work for the right company that he is a second class citizen for it. Wake the F up.

A350
 
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A350

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Yes.

Do we have issues....you bet. Do we need improvements....you bet. Do we need ALPA? Not in a million years.

This place isn't half as bad as most of you on here say it is.

A350
 

pilotyip

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Holy @#$^.....are there really people out there who don't believe that the health of the company they work for DIRECTLY relates to the HEALTH of their careers and therefore the security of their FAMILIES? (Especially in a specialized, seniority based system)

Only a moron would stand behind a union, whose sole business purpose is to siphon enough money off its membership to pay bloated payscales to paper pushers while allowing its members to sign off on contracts to pay its members HALF what the paper pushers make!

I don't understand how anyone can not understand this concept. Healthy company = healthy career and therefore, money and security for the family. While there are always exceptions to this, JetBlue is not this exception.

Healthy union does not equal healthy company. YIP understands this and you guys crap all over him for it. He is a pilot just like you.....and you think that because he doesn't work for the right company that he is a second class citizen for it. Wake the F up.

A350
Wow, don't find this too often on FI, supportive words for a guy who works for a dirt bag fly by night outfit and is very proud about it. Everybody at my place dreams of a job at JB and would happily take the place of anyone who wants to leave.
 

A350

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Yip:

You fly because you love it. Too many who fly have either lost that love or never really had it to begin with. And to top it off, most of them have never "wanted" for a job in the industry, their timing was impeccable. They think people who love their job are sellouts.

If they just looked around at the carnage of some people's careers, maybe they would be a little more thankful for what they have, not what they think they deserve or are entitled to.

A350
 

StarChecker

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This place isn't half as bad as most of you on here say it is.

A350

Let's see:

The worst health insurance
The worst retirement
Pay rates 18.3% behind our peers (starting Jan 2014)
Mediocre work rules
A "bulked out" 26 page PEA instead of a negotiated CBA

Until you have seen this company from the inside, as I have, you don't know it. Please join one of our committees and see for yourself.

We need a CBA. ALPA is the best way to get one. Any other conclusion is delusional.
 

bri5150

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Let's see:

The worst health insurance
The worst retirement
Pay rates 18.3% behind our peers (starting Jan 2014)
Mediocre work rules
A "bulked out" 26 page PEA instead of a negotiated CBA

Until you have seen this company from the inside, as I have, you don't know it. Please join one of our committees and see for yourself.

We need a CBA. ALPA is the best way to get one. Any other conclusion is delusional.

Since we have "truth" as the title thread, we should be truthful. Allegiant, Virgin America, Sun Country, and Frontier all have worse retirement. Spirit is only 1% higher. I think the problem is that your "peers" aren't your "peers". This isn't a knock, but you are an LCC/national, not legacy. I am not saying you shouldn't get better, but I AM saying that it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be.
 

ATR-DRIVR

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Yes.

Do we have issues....you bet. Do we need improvements....you bet. Do we need ALPA? Not in a million years.

This place isn't half as bad as most of you on here say it is.

A350


Just wondering how long you have been here.....
 
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