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[skirt]

My reply was that if a pilot chooses to help it should be his choice not a requirement for the job. I stated I helped out at the commuter level. Many pilots will seek a major airline for not only the better pay, but also the better work rules. ... If I choose to go above and beyond my pilot duties, which I do all the time, it should be that... my choice.

Aroundtheblock,

The customer is the one with the choice, not you.

If the customer wants to fly on an airline with good service, he/she will. As a pilot, where do you draw the line? Do you just fly the plane? Do you help customers with their questions or is that just a customer service rep job? Do you help lift their bags, or is that just a flight attendant job? Do you assist passengers off/on the plane, or just let them fend for themselves? Do you bring their too big "carryon" down to the pit, or wait for the ramp guy to do it? Do you proactively find a mechanic to help fix a writeup, or do you sit and wait for the mechanic to come?

Do you see where I am going with this? Helping out the flight attendants in the back is only a small piece of the puzzle. If you are too good to help an F/A, are you too good to help a customer? Are you too good to help your fellow employees to get a plane out on time? If so, the customer will go elsewhere. Check out the majors right now (including my employer), the customers are going elsewhere in droves, precisely because of this attitude.

Swimming upstream
Skirt

 

[pilotyip]

put on?

This has to be a put on, no one could really be as out of it as D. Webster.

 

[stillaboo]

the aircraft, crew and mission are my responsibility. I will take care of them before all else. Cleaning the aircraft rates after flight planning, mx issues, etc. Usually on a day-to-day basis, there is never a conflict.

Do you work for Delta, JayDub? I used to ramp for Delta in 3 different stations. In my time there, I ramped Delta, Delta Shuttle, and Commair. I can tell you that not once did a Delta mainline pilot ever help clean (We didn't clean Delta Shuttle, so I don't know who cleaned), nor did 90% of the DL mainline FA's.

The FA's would nap in coach, using the blankets and pillows. Then they would complain to my supervisor that we didn't fold all the blankets and put away all the pillows. Of couse we didn't, you were using them! The pilots were actually better. They would sit in first and read the paper while we cleaned around them. They would always say "hi" and smile at us (you'd be surprised how easy it is to make someone's day a bit better). Then they'd always make sure to throw away their paper (or maybe they just took it into the cockpit). I wished the pilots would occasionally clean (it would result in a 15-20% reduction in turn times), but it was the FA's that were the problem. They acted like us rampers weren't even human beings, and were just as worthy as the trash we picked up. The more junior the FA, the worse we were treated.

So, for all you Delta guys, if you insist on not cleaning, fine, that's between you and your company. But if you could kindly explain to your FA's that rampers are humans, that'd be great. The 10% of FA's who would clean were awesome. These were the same girls who would offer us a water or something. Little things, yeah. But these make a big difference in moral. And I can assure you that if two planes want to be pushed at the same time, the one with the crew on it that cleans or offers us water will be pushed first EVERY time.

on a late night arrival into PVD several years back, with no ground crew to unload the bags (at least for another hour), my F/O actually got a kick out of helping me unload the cargo bin of a 737.

You're DL, right, 'DL'? I guess I just didn't ever work your plane in PVD. I can't ever think of a time we weren't unloading w/in 5 minutes, nor a time I saw DL pilots work the bin! I guess there's an exception to every rule.

-Boo!

 

[DanielWebster]

You JB guys crack me up. The first post went something like...."we all clean the plane, CEO, pilots and station manager, and our jumpseaters (even offline) do to." Then when you realize how ridiculous you sound you change your tune to......."well, if you want to you can.....blah, blah, blah."

The fact is, you are pilots, not cleaners. Let the freakin cleaners clean the plane. Is it really that hard to comprehend????

Or do you want it to be expected of us all someday, cause JB pilots lowered the bar so low. NO THANKS.

God, you guys are kool aid drinkers over there......reminds me of the People's Express pilots back in the day.

 

[jetblue320]

You JB guys crack me up. The first post went something like...."we all clean the plane, CEO, pilots and station manager, and our jumpseaters (even offline) do to." Then when you realize how ridiculous you sound you change your tune to......."well, if you want to you can.....blah, blah, blah."

The fact is, you are pilots, not cleaners. Let the freakin cleaners clean the plane. Is it really that hard to comprehend????

Or do you want it to be expected of us all someday, cause JB pilots lowered the bar so low. NO THANKS.

God, you guys are kool aid drinkers over there......reminds me of the People's Express pilots back in the day.

Yes, kool-aid drinkers for sure, and it's tastes good Pal. As a matter of fact, I was sipping some as I was browsing the latest stock quotes. It's not a ridiculous sound Buddy Boy. Just go ahead and call me a cleaner that makes $197 an hour and dabbles in flying a plane now and then.

Your a moron. Enjoy your furlough.

 

[dlredline]

Boo,

No, sorry, I wasn't Delta. Former USAir dude. And the only reason we unloaded the cargo was the late night (after midnight) delayed arrival and the contracted ground crew wasn't set to arrive for another hour (normally our ground crews are like you, very prompt, but this happened because of company cutbacks and reductions). After enduring hours of wx delays that night, it just wasn't right having passengers wait around an empty rotating baggage carousel for another hour. Not something I've had to do since, but it was actually kinda fun that one time.

DL

 

[aroundtheblock]

Skirt

I understand the customer comes 1st. If you had read the previous posts this is not about bad customer service or kicking little old ladies off the planes. It is silly to imply that that was what I meant. My post only states that if I decide to help out picking up trash in the back it should be my choice. I do help little old ladies and answer questions and aid in oversize bags. But this topic is about being required as compared to being expected or scorned.

 

[ReportCanoa]

The only reason I pick up trash is that my employer is too cheap to do so. I will not have passengers board a trashed airplane. There isn't even an attempt at cleaning at an outstation. All that for a $600 dollar ticket on my little RJ. Sad, sad, sad state of affairs at the majors and their cheapie RJ outfits.....

 

[Redtails]

Danny Boy: in reference to my first post about cleaning, I only said regularly (that doesn't mean it's SOP). You need to see the movie 12 o'clock high-- to understand that if you're a part of an organization that aviators (employees) want to belong to and care about it's success, you'll do what it takes to ensure it's survival. When I jumpseat to work, I get many comments from customers who enjoy watching pilots cleaning/taking care of their planes. If you felt good about the service you received, you'd probably tip the guy/gal wouldn't you, for a job well-done. I think our customers tip us by coming back, they're proud of their home-town airline. But then again, Danny Boy, you sound like the kind of guy who'd stiff the hotel van driver of his dollar because-- "IT's HIS job to handle my bags not mine!!!" I'm sick of your stupid comments, NEXT thread please!!!

 

[Neubyfly]

The fact is, you are pilots, not cleaners. Let the freakin cleaners clean the plane. Is it really that hard to comprehend????

What is hard to comprehend is a fool like yourself who is not will to help his employer survive/succeed!

I thought DW produced a better product/graduate. I guess I am wrong. I guess that is why I went to Hawthorne instead!

 

[DanielWebster]

I guess that is why I went to Hawthorne instead!

You also went to TWA, and got furloughed. Yeah, smart move Einstein.

 

[dlredline]

Enough . . .

Guys,

Enough already. DW has a bitterness in him only he can understand. Let's end this thread for more constructive pastures.

Good Bye,

DL

 

[stillaboo]

I'll leave it up till I get back from my trip. I think the point's been made. JB pilots usually clean their planes, though they are not required to.

-Boo!

 

[DanielWebster]

Yes, kool-aid drinkers for sure, and it's tastes good Pal. As a matter of fact, I was sipping some as I was browsing the latest stock quotes..................Your a moron. Enjoy your furlough.

1) How many years till the stock options become fully vested?? Seven years? Come gloat then jr. because they most likely won't be worth a nickle then. Some deal!

2) Sorry jr. but I ain't furloughed.

3) That should be "you're" not "your"

4) Sounds like all JB pilots here are bottom feeding kool aid drinkers. No matter though, it happens every decade.

 

[Skank]

Danny Boy,
1. I agree, there is no reason to gloat about the options (but I will gloat about the profit sharing and the stock purchase plan)
2. Too bad, a lot of good guys are.
3. no comment
4. Thanks, coming from you, I consider your trash talk a compliment.
5. Have a nice bitter day!