Bizarre CVR transcript...

[wrxpilot]

http://www.tailstrike.com/030104.htm

Just seems kind of odd...

 

[Snakum]

Among devout Muslims, there are sayings for which the literal translations are ...

"There is no God but 'God'!"

and another one ...

"I rely on God!" or "I put my fate in God's hands!"

And these are things that many Muslims say almost off-handedly like before an important task of any kind, such as a test in school, a takeoff in an aircraft, etc. If that's the part of the CVR that strikes you as odd (I assume it is), rest assured it's kind of like us saying "Well ... thank God!" after a particularly difficult landing, or when the annoying fat guy sitting next to you finally shuts up and goes to sleep. Only, righteous Muslims say that kind of thing a lot more often, and with a bit more reverence than we do.

By the way, and on a group hug note ... Devout Muslims of the non-whacko variety are among the most pious, yet generous and tolerant people of any religion. More so than the average fundamentalist Christian. And their everyday speech is peppered with sayings that denote respect, humility, and surrender to the same God worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims all over the world.

But yeah ... it sounds odd on a CVR.

Minhommad the Muslim Porkchop Prince

 

[labbats]

I'll tell you what sounds odd...


With the autopilot engaged and while climbing through 2000 feet
Who does that? The only time I've seen someone do that they were incredibly behind the airplane.

 

[wrxpilot]

Among devout Muslims, there are sayings for which the literal translations are ...

Snakum,

Thanks for the education. It clears the "oddness" of it up for me!

 

[Kream926]

i love how everytime some people hears the word allah they automatically associate that with some thing bad

 

[Lead Sled]

I'll tell you what sounds odd...


With the autopilot engaged and while climbing through 2000 feet
Who does that? The only time I've seen someone do that they were incredibly behind the airplane.

Let's see, you're making an IFR departure on a VFR Saturday morning in your jet. There's a bazillion VFR Cherokees swarming around in the airspace below 10,000' and you're hand flying???

'Sled

 

[labbats]

Yes. You're barely past acceleration altitude and you've already got the autopilot on? I don't get it.

 

[Pedro]

Let's see, you're making an IFR departure on a VFR Saturday morning in your jet. There's a bazillion VFR Cherokees swarming around in the airspace below 10,000' and you're hand flying???

'Sled

How many millions is a bazillion?

 

[Partridge]

I have to agree with Lead Sled here, there is a time and a place for handflying and a time and place for flying on autopilot. I like handflying as much as anybody but sometimes you have to concede that it's better to apply your attention to other areas. We need to get away from this somewhat macho 'I want to handfly - always' attitude.

Having said that, in some parts of the world (notably Europe) use of automatics is encouraged a bit too much by training departments. Then again, they sometimes have 200 hour wonders sitting in the right seat which might just have something to do with it. But that's an other story...

 

[Snakum]

i love how everytime some people hears the word allah they automatically associate that with some thing bad

I don't think he was implying it was 'bad'. Just that it sounds odd due to the cultural differences. That's all he was saying.

A 'Bazzillion' (two 'Z's is correct) is actually slightly more than a $hitload.



Minhberg the Jewish Pig Farmer

 

[Lead Sled]

Yes. You're barely past acceleration altitude and you've already got the autopilot on? I don't get it.

I hope you're not one of those hairy chested pilots who say that "real" pilots don't use autopilots. You know, the guys who compulsively and habitually hand-fly the airplane at all times except during cruise, including all approaches. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. Real pilots know when to use autopilots and when not to. There are times when we probably have no business hand flying our high performance turbine-powered aircraft. For example, below 10,000' MSL on VFR days. Can you really hand fly your aircraft while maintaining an adequate watch for traffic or are you also one of those guys who puts 100% faith in ATC and in his TCAS?

'Sled

 

[wrxpilot]

I don't think he was implying it was 'bad'. Just that it sounds odd due to the cultural differences. That's all he was saying.

A 'Bazzillion' (two 'Z's is correct) is actually slightly more than a $hitload.



Minhberg the Jewish Pig Farmer

Thanks for clearing that up !

Kream296, if I saw a CVR that had guys saying "Initiate autopilot, Praise the lord!" all over it I would also consider it odd (not bad, evil, whatever). Though maybe if we saw a CVR of that AA captain that was all over the news a few weeks ago we'd see that, lol.

 

[FracCapt]

Yes. You're barely past acceleration altitude and you've already got the autopilot on? I don't get it.

You don't get it because you're still very low time. Don't take it as an insult....it's not meant that way....but you are still in the "jets are cool" phase, which seems to come with a "must handfly as much as possible, regardless of our situation/conditions"..

BTW, that was a 737-300 with autothrottles. That aircraft(and I'm assuming all autothrottle equipped aircraft) does not like being hand flown with the A/T's engaged. The computer doesn't know what you're going to do, so it doesn't know exactly what to do with the A/T's...so they can become erratic. Engaging the A/P means that the A/T's can coordinate, since the computers talk to each other. That's just ONE of the reasons to engage the autopilot down low at times. IIRC, on the -300, the minimum A/P use altitude is 1,000' after takeoff. I'm sure they were at or above that.

 

[sweeper]

I'll tell you what sounds odd...


With the autopilot engaged and while climbing through 2000 feet
Who does that? The only time I've seen someone do that they were incredibly behind the airplane.

Or just didnt want to hand fly.....Just because you want to hand fly doesnt make it wrong for someone to use the autopilot. As long as limitations arent being broken, who cares?

 

[Snakum]

I punch on the yaw damper and the auto-pilot immediately after V1.

I'm too lazy to rotate.



Minh