Bizarre CVR transcript...

[AA717driver]

Welll... When I burn in He!!, at least all my friends will be there, too. Bet you'll hear some great flying and layover stories.

On the A/P issue: I like hand flying as much as anyone (our "standards" guy gives me crap all the time) but below 5,000 feet, it's tough to have the PNF doing all the flight guidance stuff AND looking outside. I actually think it's preferable to hand fly AND work the flight guidance stuff and let the PNF look outside. But I guess I'm just a dinosaur... TC

 

[TonyC]

...and yes you can handfly and watch for traffic at the same time...you sure did it while in your initial training when you first got your private didn't you?!

Funny, I don't recall doing 250 in the 172.


Ever.









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[Snakum]

Shake ... LMAO!

There are those on this message board and at my company (and yours too) who would talk precisely like that if they thought they could get away with it.

Very true.


About the CVR transcripts ... We seem to be missing soemthing here. As I stated, and as anyone familiar with Arab Moslem culture (not to be confused with Persian, Turk, etc. Moslem culture) will agree, the almost off-handed statements by these pilots on the transcript is just the way they speak in everyday conversation. It has less than nothing to do with fanaticism. It's a colloquial/cultural thing, and is the same as one of us saying "By God ... I'll nail that ILS this time!" or "Thank God we didn't hire that guy, look what he did to their Citation!" or when parking at Southern Jet in RDU "Oh my God! Look at that line chick move!".

The fact that it is Moslems we're talking about instantly colors our perception of both their speech and the context. But seriously ... it's an almost off-handed habit of speech among certain groups, and means absolutely nothing. Some of us are swinging really big brushes as we attempt to smear our Exterior Latex Semi-gloss Extremist paint.

Minh

 

[EagleRJ]

There are those on this message board and at my company (and yours too) who would talk precisely like that if they thought they could get away with it.

I disagree. As a Christian, my faith permeates throughout my everyday life, but it isn't manifested in every sentance. I'd really worry about any pilot who actually talked like this, and I know pilots who are far more vocal about their faith than I am.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I disagree. As a Christian, my faith permeates throughout my everyday life, but it isn't manifested in every sentance. I'd really worry about any pilot who actually talked like this, and I know pilots who are far more vocal about their faith than I am.

Did I say "EagleRJ would talk like this if he thought he could get away with it"? NO. Disagree all you want. There are those who would talk like this in our cockpits if they thought they could get away with it. Just cuz you wouldn't doesn't mean it ain't so.

 

[ms6073]

It has less than nothing to do with fanaticism. It's a colloquial/cultural thing, and is the same as one of us saying "By God ... I'll nail that ILS this time!"

I think there is also the consideration that in order to transcribe the transcript, it first had to be translated which means that the end result could be effected by cultural and regional differences that may exist between the flight crew and the person who translated the CVR transcript. A non-native translater may likely not be able to equate the exact inference of a phrase or sentence from the CVR simply because of such cultural or geographic differences.

Kind of like Jeff Foxworthy's redneck dictionary, sure that is way out in left field, but I am sure we have all encountered people who, although speaking english, due to differences in dialect, we find it difficult to completely understand what is being said!

Example: A number of years ago a man at O'Hare asked me a simple question: "Got a clack?" Being from Texas, I was at a complete loss as I had no idea what he was asking. I thought to myself "what the heck is a clack?" when he asked again, "Got a clack?" My only response was "I am sorry I don't understand what you are asking me. Upon hearing my mild 'Texas drawl' (no I dont say awl bidness!), he then restated his question, "sorry, would you mind telling me the time?"

 

[100LL... Again!]

Among devout Muslims, there are sayings for which the literal translations are ...

"There is no God but 'God'!"

and another one ...

"I rely on God!" or "I put my fate in God's hands!"

And these are things that many Muslims say almost off-handedly like before an important task of any kind, such as a test in school, a takeoff in an aircraft, etc. If that's the part of the CVR that strikes you as odd (I assume it is), rest assured it's kind of like us saying "Well ... thank God!" after a particularly difficult landing, or when the annoying fat guy sitting next to you finally shuts up and goes to sleep. Only, righteous Muslims say that kind of thing a lot more often, and with a bit more reverence than we do.

By the way, and on a group hug note ... Devout Muslims of the non-whacko variety are among the most pious, yet generous and tolerant people of any religion. More so than the average fundamentalist Christian. And their everyday speech is peppered with sayings that denote respect, humility, and surrender to the same God worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims all over the world.

But yeah ... it sounds odd on a CVR.

Minhommad the Muslim Porkchop Prince

Sure. Whatever. I had almost zero opinions on Muslims until 911.
I hate the terrorist head-chopping ones. They rest can go their merry way with no trouble from me.

Still, I see very few of the ones you say are so peaceful making public denouncements of terroristic acts. I guess we just are not getting their press releases.

Methinks you are substituting opinion about Christians for actual facts.
That, and you have a natural disposition against Christians that certainly colors your perceptions about them. I don't really consider you a disinterested outside observer on this issue.

 

[Snakum]

Still, I see very few of the ones you say are so peaceful making public denouncements of terroristic acts. I guess we just are not getting their press releases.

You mean in the U.S.? They're staying out of sight so your sheet-wear'n, backer-chew'n, gun-tote'n cousins can't get a bead on 'em.

Methinks you are substituting opinion about Christians for actual facts.

I realize you quit school in the sixth grade because they had "recess" ... and you don't play ... but if you read one single anti-Christian statement in my post, your dyslexia is acting up again.

you have a natural disposition against Christians that certainly colors your perceptions about them.

I'll have to remember that next Sunday when I'm sitting in my usual spot at church (that'd be Baptist type ... one each).

I don't really consider you a disinterested outside observer on this issue.

And I don't consider you an intelligent life form. I thought it was merely that your reading comprehension was $h!t, but the truth is ... youz ig'nunt.


Besides, as you were reminded by a certain airline pilot type a couple weeks ago when you were making a rare lucid well-reasoned point about unions, as opposed to your usual rabid, nonsensical, myopic, misogynist, racist ranting ... your opinion doesn't count because you burn avgas.

And as I am reminded often by budding airline types angry about eating Ramen and living with seventeen other pilots in a three-bedroom trailer ... my opinion doesn't count because I don't fly for a living.

So essentially ... our opinions don't matter.


But your opinion is still stoopid and mine ain't not so stoopid as yours be cuase I be obviouslee not stoopider then you're are.


Minh

 

[viperdriver]

From Aviation-safety.net

Still investigating I guess

"Weather was perfect (excellent visibility, 17 degrees C and a light breeze) when Flash Air flight 604 departed the Red Sea resort of Sharm el Sheikh for a flight to Paris-CDG with an intermediate stop at Cairo. On board were 135, mostly French, holidaymakers who were heading home.
At 04:38 the flight was cleared to taxi to runway 22R for departure. After takeoff, at 04:42, the plane climbed and manoeuvred for a procedural left turn to intercept the 306 radial from the Sharm el-Sheikh VOR station. When the autopilot was engaged the captain made an exclamation and the autopilot was immediately switched off again. The captain then requested Heading Select to be engaged. The plane then began to bank to the right. The copilot then warned the captain a few times about the fact that the bank angle was increasing. At a bank angle of 40 degrees to the right the captain stated "OK come out". The ailerons returned briefly to neutral before additional aileron movements commanded an increase in the right bank.
The aircraft had reached a maximum altitude of 5460 feet with a 50 degrees bank when the copilot stated: "Overbank". Repeating himself as the bank angle kept increasing. The maximum bank angle recorded was 111 degrees right. Pitch attitude at that time was 43 degrees nose down and altitude was 3470 feet.
The observer on the flight deck, a trainee copilot, called "Retard power, retard power, retard power". Both throttles were moved to idle and the airplane gently seemed to recover from the nose-down, right bank attitude. Speed however increased, causing an overspeed warning. At 04:45 the airplane struck the surface of the water in a 24 degrees right bank, 24 degrees nose-down, at a speed of 416 kts and with a 3,9 G load.
The wreckage sank to a depth of approx. 900 metres."

 

[KC-10 Driver]

All this talk about something being wrong with turning the autopilot on at 2,000'...?

This morning (and a lot of other days, too) I had the autopilot on at 100' AGL taking off out of JFK. There is no set altitude where the autopliot should be engaged -- appropriate guidance, pilot judgement and the situation will dictate when it should be on.

For example, I tend to usually use the automation to the max extent possible in Class B airspace and VFR weather -- also if flying a complicated departure or arrival. It's better to keep heads up, and to relieve the workload on the other pilot.

On the other hand, the waters around Sharm el Sheikh are pretty breathtaking -- maybe he turned it on in anticipation of doing some sight seeing?