Binge Flying

[RiddleEagle18]

I am sure I am not smarter than you just more experienced. And until you have the experience your just another Einstein without a clue.

I didnt say anything about him being smarter than me in aviation. In fact he implied I wasn't intelligent because of my flight time on an unrelated topic. Reread my post. We are talking about global hysteria's as ty webb metioned

I get a big chuckle over this whole "Global Warming" hysteria. . . . . here's some other hysterias that I can recall or have read about:

so our flight time has nothing to do with the subject. I just pointed out the complete opposite was being preached in the 1970's and this guy jumps all over me about global warming. Im sure he is much wiser than me about aviation. In fact what I suggested in my post was exactly what he suggested in his.

while exploring alternative with set goals of 10 to 20 years out to be independent is not unreasonable.

no we don't have to do it overnight we have the next 20 years to get busy

 

[waveflyer]

Ty- you talk like an idiot. People like to entertain themselves with what they can say under the anonymity of the internet. Until you grow up a bit though-- i'll be ignoring you.

There's no replacing talent in this industry. There are a whole lot of pilots out there that are just barely good enough not to get fired- and haven't wrecked yet. I never met a truly secure pilot who had to tell his 'number'. Riddle-- i'll make fun of you b/c or your screen name and that you haven't yet presented a valid argument. There might have been a scientist talking about global cooling in the 70's. There were also those who predicted a global warming. i think there were doctors back then talking about the health benefits of cigarettes too.

The problem with waiting 20 years is we're a nation of procrastinators. If we begin now-- we might have a solution in 20 years-- But we have to start now.

By the way-- we have the lowest mandated mpg in the industrialized world except for china. How can you argue when the technology is there-- other nations have cars with 100% better fuel efficiency-- it's just not being sold to us. You guys are arguing FOR paying $50 a week in gas. I don't get it. What is so great about burning a lot of gas and paying all that money to do it?

One more thing-- Let's talk ethanol for a minute. Brazil has transferred over to sugar ethanol-- a very clean alternative. (again-- the technology is there) We are considering ethanol-- but it seems the corn lobbyists have a bit more money-- trouble is-- corn ethanol burns only slightly cleaner than gas. I don't know enough about this-- but it appears right now that we are going to finance a switch that really won't help that much.

 

[Future Furlough]

Global Warming Test

For what it's worth, some interesting arguments on the other side of the coin.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/start.html

 

[waveflyer]

I would only say that there are many many credible scientists who would disagree.

I would like to know who created that website? With it's sarcasm- it looks like it was funded by someone with something to gain from people ignoring GW. Lobbyists are not conspiracy theories.

 

[AA717driver]

When China and India clean up their mess, we'll talk. Until that happens, anything we do to reduce fossil fuel usage is wasted. TC

P.S.--There are lots of scientists who are asking for more proof (other than just a 100 year time frame--which is virtually irrelevent in geological/climatological terms) and they are shouted down by those "scientists" who have declared the subject "settled". Just as there are pilots who are incompetent and "wackos", so are there scientists who share those afflictions.

 

[Future Furlough]

It comes from a site titled "Plant Fossils of West Virginia" (coal country-make your own inferences). The data and charts they present are a little dated, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[Ty Webb]

I could give both of you sheeple (err, people) a bibliography to read through that would probably run for three pages, all documenting the fact that the total rise in the last 100 years is less than 1C and is likely not the result of man.

What good would it do? Little to none. Your minds (I use the term usely) are made up; not because of fact, but because of hysteria.

 

[Max Powers]

When China and India clean up their mess, we'll talk. Until that happens, anything we do to reduce fossil fuel usage is wasted. TC

P.S.--There are lots of scientists who are asking for more proof (other than just a 100 year time frame--which is virtually irrelevent in geological/climatological terms) and they are shouted down by those "scientists" who have declared the subject "settled". Just as there are pilots who are incompetent and "wackos", so are there scientists who share those afflictions.

First off the scientists have data from before the ice age thousands upon thousands of years. How do they get this info? Your not smart enough to understand so I won't explain to you.

India and China pollute less than we if you put the two of them together we still produce more pollution then them why because our economy its still many times there size. We need to look within and stop blamming. Funny I always thought the USA was the leader in the world but I guess we have to wait for countries like China and India before we do the right thing - if we follow your logic.

Look just cause we strive toward energy independence and making ourselves more effecient doesn't mean our great way of life will end....It will only enhance it if you keep your mind and imagination open you would understand.

 

[Contract]

What bout the DRONES Dr. TY? Please, tell us about the DRONES. Are they really invading Commercial Aviation?

1-800-cal-drty

 

[Ty Webb]

Max, here's a quote from your post," Your not smart enough to understand so I won't explain to you".

You write like an 8th grader, and your mind is obviously closed on the subject.

Have yourself a nice life, and we'll revisit this subject in five years, when you can articulate a position and back it up with facts. Of course, by that time, "Global Warming" will have been exposed for what it is . . . . just this decade's hysteria . . . and you'll be shrieking about the next one.


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[waveflyer]

AA717-- I can't control what china will do- I'm an american-- if Holland can adopt the Kyoto accord and invest in cleaner energy-- i'm pretty sure that if we did it- it would have a much larger impact. You sound like you get all of your excuses from FoxNews. ??

None of you have answered the question of why you're so defensive about wanting to pollute. I don't get it-- do you argue with your wives about cleaning your room too?

 

[DOVPILOT]

8) The whole y2k computer crisis.

People prepaired for that thing for years and built bomb shelters and stuff. I laughed my arse off when nothing happened.

Don't forget the spontaneous combustible shopping bags

 

[UALjan15]

2. I'm saying slow down. Look at all of the evidence. When is the last time you heard a report on national t.v. with a scientist who refuted global warming. You won't because the media loves doom and gloom. This stuff is shoved down our throats 24-7 with no discussion at all. (Until recently)

Sure, the media loves doom and gloom....but the one thing they love even more is disagreement! Tune in at virtually any time of day, and the news shows always seem to be able to parade out 2 "experts," each arguing opposite sides of the issue. It doesn't matter if the topic is politics, the economy, gun control, Anna Nicole, whatever! As long as there is disagreement to watch, people will stay tuned.

On the topic of global warming, I have noticed that I'm not seeing this classic tactic pursued much anymore. Have I just missed it, or have the all of the experts given up on fighting the green wave?

 

[UALjan15]

One more thing-- Let's talk ethanol for a minute. Brazil has transferred over to sugar ethanol-- a very clean alternative. (again-- the technology is there) We are considering ethanol-- but it seems the corn lobbyists have a bit more money-- trouble is-- corn ethanol burns only slightly cleaner than gas. I don't know enough about this-- but it appears right now that we are going to finance a switch that really won't help that much.

There are a few reasons why ethanol is getting so much good press lately (well, mostly good). First, it is not such a leap in technology--grow lots of corn, process it, get cars to burn it, and open an ethanol pump at the gas station. Pretty reasonable stuff. Therefore, our politicians can jump on the bandwagon and make some near term progress instead of pouring billions of dollars into something that won't pay dividends until after the next election cycle. Next, you will notice that all of the presidential candidates have jumped onboard, and they're riding this wagon all the way to Iowa--you guessed it, a state that lives and breathes corn. Never mind that by the time you grow, fertilize, harvest, distill, and distribute the ethanol, you've burned all of the oil that you were trying to save.

We need to concentrate on sources of energy with real net energy gains, like solar, wind, hydro, etc. It's too bad the solutions are far away and expensive, but on the other hand, so was the moon back in 1960.

 

[AA717driver]

waveflyer--I don't get all my news from Fox. I get it from a variety of sources. Sounds like you get all your news from NPR. So there...

This is obviously a contentious issue. What many of us who aren't jumping on the GW/CC bandwagon are skeptical of is that this isn't a result that has been arrived at over a period of time. Many of us lived through the "ice age" hysteria of the '70's and found that, despite the "consensus" of MANY scientists, it was simply not the case and the data supporting it was flawed.

Supporters of the "coming ice age" presented data to support their position and poo-poohed those who questioned their findings. We're seeing the same thing happening again. Washed up politicians, movie stars and the socialists are all fighting for this cause. The UN (find me a more corrupt and intellectually vacuous body outside of the African continent and you drink free for the rest of your life...) supporting this cause should be enough to give you pause.

You are making knee-jerk assumptions about those of us who are not willing to take this at face value. You assume we're just drooling "W supporters" who sit around watching Fox News all day--and you're not afraid to deride us as such. Well, you're wrong--and condescending.

As for not being interested in alternative fuels, exactly how do you arrive at that conclusion? I'm incensed at BOTH political parties for being owned by big business and not pursuing domestic sources of oil (which environmental groups are doing the work of the big oil companies) and new, non-fossil-fuel sources of energy (again, the environmental movement killed nuclear power, helping big oil...). Again, you're making an assumption based on a political stereotype.

As for China and India not polluting as much as we do, well, maybe by CO2 standards (apparently the only standard that means anything to the GW/CC crowd) but even in LA your throat and eyes don't burn like they do in Beijing. I've not seen the sun in Shanghai other than through a polluted haze. The Guangzhou Valley WILL SOON BE UNINHABITABLE due to pollution. I'm not aware of any areas in the U.S. that fit that description.

There is no EPA in India. PM Singh admits they have a serious problem with pollution and it needs to be addressed. When is the last time a U.S. President has made the same statement about our environment?

Russia is an environmental disaster. Between no pollution standards (not that any company would adhere to them), wasted dumped in open fields, spent nuclear fuel being stored above ground in poorly secured facilities and the Russian nuclear naval vessels rusting in Murmansk and Vladivostok without having their reactors secured.

We can't control what other countries do? I disagree but we shouldn't hamstring our economy and give up civil rights to embark on a unilateral course of action that will achieve nothing without the cooperation--AND adherence to the rules by the rest of the industrialized countries.

The bottom line is that the rest of the world has got a long way to go in cleaning up their act before I'm willing to gut our economy to satisfy the bleatings of a bunch of Socialists who don't exactly have my best interests at heart.

Back to GW/CC--I have no intention of heading down a road with no road map and nowhere to turn around. That's where the knee-jerkers are taking us. TC