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If the activities of man are the sole cause of the average temperature rise of the Earth, why is the average temperature of Mars also rising?



Gee.....must be the Sun. The thing that warms the planet. Could it be that big bright thing causing Global Warming. A whole degree over 100 years. Wait, can't be because Katie Couric said it was mankind. Many scientists believe the Sun is the cause of "Global Warming", not binge flying. Also, to respond to one on the 1st page about CFC's, did you know that one volcanic eruption produces more "CFC's" than we all could in a life time.

Back to topic, kind of, I like the Mars comparison, very true and well said.
 
Here's the problem with all those tree huggers that say they want alternative energy:
Nuclear. Oh, no, not in my back yard.
Wind Turbines: not in my backyard, ugly, they kill birds
Solar: Ugly, too expensive

Every solution gets knocked down to the point where we have no other choice but to keep using oil and coal.
So, tree huggers, what are your solutions????????
 
"tree huggers"

You should talk to a european. Overall they view environmental concerns as a challenge. We talk in immature sound bites. But i'll be the first to say there are uneducated hippie types that do more damage than good to real environmental issues.

Solutions:

Necessity is the mother of invention. If we believe the media and conventional wisdom of FoxNews, we'll never believe it's necessary to change. Money and energy will never be invested. Since the energy crisis in california- solar has received new attention - and $$-- You should see the advancements that are happening. It really is moving in the right direction. Who doesn't want wind turbines? I like em... Got a few in my 'backyard'

Why so angry though? You're the one arguing for fossils... I should be pissed at you.
 
Max

I agree that there is global warming to the tune of 1 deg c over a 100 years. As I stated before, making the jump to the conclusion that man caused it is what makes me wary of the hysteria. I mentioned the last ice age, and that it warmed up afterward, which makes me think that we may be a little arrogant about our impact on the climate. I am skeptical about a theory that says when it is really cold or really hot it is because of global warming. Or if there is more rain, or more droughts, it is because of global warming. I am skeptical of a theory that seems to think that a few degree change over a long period of time ( a hundred years or more) is going to bring catastrophy. The history of Earth is one of violent changes, and wide variation in climate. Somehow life continues.

That in no way means that I support more coal burning power, or think that we should be wasteful. I simply think that the CONCLUSION that man is to blame for the 1 deg c change over the last 100 years is myopic with regard to the history of earth.
 
It's not the change-- it's the rate of change that is much different than the rest of history. It's the correlations to changes in man's activities that is causing all of this.

You are right though-- the earth will be alright- but how will we be? While you're not sure++ there is that study in the movie that i'm sure none of you watched- In the media- 50% of the articles show that global warming is in doubt- .... In peer reviewed scientific journals- 100% show no doubt that man is causing a global warming at a rate that is unprecedented.

Like i said- I'm no scientist. But i'll not be so arrogant as to listen to the media instead of the experts.
 
Well duchess boy you are right I am smarter than you but I have 8000 hours now so that makes me even wiser.

Look Kido no offense. I'm sorry your thin skinned - the personal attack was uncalled for(I admit) however, I think the point is we need to change our behavior - no we don't have to do it overnight we have the next 20 years to get busy so don't worry about it going too "fast" I want to keep flying and I am sure we will. Don't fall for the Fear mongering this is a problem that when tackled will actually strength us as a world.

In any event the Global warming debate , unless you are a brillant blue collar worker who has loads of experience such as us blue collar pilots, is over. Let's let the experts work this out no one likes an arm chair quarterback.

Go back to sponging off your parents for your over priced education. Darn another personal attack. Sorry man.

I think my case is strengthed by some of the foolish responses that are coming back except for the wave man and a few others.
 
Max Powers,

You are rigth, we have some time to work on the issue, but the problem is, that the powers that be, try to shove it under the rug. Bush and his advisers doesn't believe it is happeneing, the bloviator Kennedy fights againts a windfarm in his "backyard."

Back in the 70's, when the western world was held hostage by OPEC, we talked about making changes, for purely economic issues, but we did not and once again, in a lesser or worse way perhaps, depending on your point of view, we are once again being held over barrel.

This time, we should work on a real change, not only would it reducing our dependence on energy from the Middle East, it might actually be good for the enviroment.

Want to see what happens when enviromental concerns are thrown out the window and only profits matter, then take a look at China! It is not a pretty picture in their industrial centers.

Global warming is happening, we may not be sure as to why, but indications certainly are, that man has something to do with it. Should we acknowledge this in a meaningful way or do we go about bussiness as usual?
 
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Well put, Bobby B. . . . . and Max, your statement that "the debate over global warming is over" indicates how much you still need to learn . . . . about the subject, and about life.



Max

I agree that there is global warming to the tune of 1 deg c over a 100 years. As I stated before, making the jump to the conclusion that man caused it is what makes me wary of the hysteria. I mentioned the last ice age, and that it warmed up afterward, which makes me think that we may be a little arrogant about our impact on the climate. I am skeptical about a theory that says when it is really cold or really hot it is because of global warming. Or if there is more rain, or more droughts, it is because of global warming. I am skeptical of a theory that seems to think that a few degree change over a long period of time ( a hundred years or more) is going to bring catastrophy. The history of Earth is one of violent changes, and wide variation in climate. Somehow life continues.

That in no way means that I support more coal burning power, or think that we should be wasteful. I simply think that the CONCLUSION that man is to blame for the 1 deg c change over the last 100 years is myopic with regard to the history of earth.
 
You fail to see my logic and attack me because I fly a duchess? I must be a freaking retard because i don't have 6000 hours like you. All those hours flying made you sooo much smarter than me on a completely different subject.

I am sure I am not smarter than you just more experienced. And until you have the experience your just another Einstein without a clue.

So go work on your theory as the rest of us make a living knowing what we are doing. And when you get enough experience to have a clue make sure you tell all your captains your a Riddle graduate and who your daddy is as you will really gain the captains respect. And don't forget to tell him about Flight Team.
 
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Well put, Bobby B. . . . . and Max, your statement that "the debate over global warming is over" indicates how much you still need to learn . . . . about the subject, and about life.

Why is that TY? You love to tell me I know nothing which is fine but at least back it up. Every well respected article or scientific study I read says GW is a problem. Now if you watch the brillant and smart all knowing Bill O'Riley than perhaps you got a great point I mean that guy thinks GW is not as bad as people make it out to be and he used to be an anchor on Current Affair. WOW.

Look find me someone (not senator Inohof) who is reputable and respected who thinks GW is a complete farce and you might have a point. And the guys in Da Tranny's training dept that think CRM is a part on the female body don't count either.
 
I am sure I am not smarter than you just more experienced. And until you have the experience your just another Einstein without a clue.

I didnt say anything about him being smarter than me in aviation. In fact he implied I wasn't intelligent because of my flight time on an unrelated topic. Reread my post. We are talking about global hysteria's as ty webb metioned
I get a big chuckle over this whole "Global Warming" hysteria. . . . . here's some other hysterias that I can recall or have read about:
so our flight time has nothing to do with the subject. I just pointed out the complete opposite was being preached in the 1970's and this guy jumps all over me about global warming. Im sure he is much wiser than me about aviation. In fact what I suggested in my post was exactly what he suggested in his.

while exploring alternative with set goals of 10 to 20 years out to be independent is not unreasonable.

no we don't have to do it overnight we have the next 20 years to get busy
 
Ty- you talk like an idiot. People like to entertain themselves with what they can say under the anonymity of the internet. Until you grow up a bit though-- i'll be ignoring you.

There's no replacing talent in this industry. There are a whole lot of pilots out there that are just barely good enough not to get fired- and haven't wrecked yet. I never met a truly secure pilot who had to tell his 'number'. Riddle-- i'll make fun of you b/c or your screen name and that you haven't yet presented a valid argument. There might have been a scientist talking about global cooling in the 70's. There were also those who predicted a global warming. i think there were doctors back then talking about the health benefits of cigarettes too.

The problem with waiting 20 years is we're a nation of procrastinators. If we begin now-- we might have a solution in 20 years-- But we have to start now.

By the way-- we have the lowest mandated mpg in the industrialized world except for china. How can you argue when the technology is there-- other nations have cars with 100% better fuel efficiency-- it's just not being sold to us. You guys are arguing FOR paying $50 a week in gas. I don't get it. What is so great about burning a lot of gas and paying all that money to do it?

One more thing-- Let's talk ethanol for a minute. Brazil has transferred over to sugar ethanol-- a very clean alternative. (again-- the technology is there) We are considering ethanol-- but it seems the corn lobbyists have a bit more money-- trouble is-- corn ethanol burns only slightly cleaner than gas. I don't know enough about this-- but it appears right now that we are going to finance a switch that really won't help that much.
 
I would only say that there are many many credible scientists who would disagree.

I would like to know who created that website? With it's sarcasm- it looks like it was funded by someone with something to gain from people ignoring GW. Lobbyists are not conspiracy theories.
 
When China and India clean up their mess, we'll talk. Until that happens, anything we do to reduce fossil fuel usage is wasted. TC

P.S.--There are lots of scientists who are asking for more proof (other than just a 100 year time frame--which is virtually irrelevent in geological/climatological terms) and they are shouted down by those "scientists" who have declared the subject "settled". Just as there are pilots who are incompetent and "wackos", so are there scientists who share those afflictions.
 
I could give both of you sheeple (err, people) a bibliography to read through that would probably run for three pages, all documenting the fact that the total rise in the last 100 years is less than 1C and is likely not the result of man.

What good would it do? Little to none. Your minds (I use the term usely) are made up; not because of fact, but because of hysteria.
 
When China and India clean up their mess, we'll talk. Until that happens, anything we do to reduce fossil fuel usage is wasted. TC

P.S.--There are lots of scientists who are asking for more proof (other than just a 100 year time frame--which is virtually irrelevent in geological/climatological terms) and they are shouted down by those "scientists" who have declared the subject "settled". Just as there are pilots who are incompetent and "wackos", so are there scientists who share those afflictions.

First off the scientists have data from before the ice age thousands upon thousands of years. How do they get this info? Your not smart enough to understand so I won't explain to you.

India and China pollute less than we if you put the two of them together we still produce more pollution then them why because our economy its still many times there size. We need to look within and stop blamming. Funny I always thought the USA was the leader in the world but I guess we have to wait for countries like China and India before we do the right thing - if we follow your logic.

Look just cause we strive toward energy independence and making ourselves more effecient doesn't mean our great way of life will end....It will only enhance it if you keep your mind and imagination open you would understand.
 
What bout the DRONES Dr. TY? Please, tell us about the DRONES. Are they really invading Commercial Aviation?

1-800-cal-drty
 
Max, here's a quote from your post," Your not smart enough to understand so I won't explain to you".

You write like an 8th grader, and your mind is obviously closed on the subject.

Have yourself a nice life, and we'll revisit this subject in five years, when you can articulate a position and back it up with facts. Of course, by that time, "Global Warming" will have been exposed for what it is . . . . just this decade's hysteria . . . and you'll be shrieking about the next one.


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