Big meeting: Skywest, ASA/XJet, Alpa, SAPA

[Erlanger]

There was a big 3 day meeting in Denver this Mon, Tues and Wed consisting of Skywest Inc, SAPA, ASA/XJet and ALPA. Anyone know what it was about and outcome?

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I know nothing about all the groups you listed meeting. But XJET MEC and ASA MEC is meeting in DEN yesterday (Wed) and today(Thurs) "to discuss the merger and a few other items." No mention of SKYW in our email. Just a joint mec meeting.

 

[CFIT]

ASA ALPA proposed combining all SkyWest Inc. pilots on to one list, one company.

SkyWest Inc. management said (no suprise) NFW.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

ASA ALPA proposed combining all SkyWest Inc. pilots on to one list, one company.

SkyWest Inc. management said (no suprise) NFW.

The real problem with this is SkyWest pilots "mainline" wouldn't want to merge with the poor pathetic RJ drivers at ExpressJet.........:cartman:

 

[aircombat]

ASA ALPA proposed combining all SkyWest Inc. pilots on to one list, one company.

SkyWest Inc. management said (no suprise) NFW.

If ASA ALPA does suddenly have a change of heart on this issue that can only mean one of two things.
A. The XJT MEC is beating some sense into the ASA MEC or more likely
B. They know were the majority of the cuts are coming from with the loss of the 200s

 

[spudskier]

well, with loss of airplanes plus loss of pilots late this year and continuing for a long time, it would certainly be a smart move to combine pilot groups for the sake of the airlines... doubt it'll happen but wouldn't put it past em either

 

[ASApuppy]

It is in the TPA (transition process agreement) that ALPA will not persue a merger with Skywest until the ASA/XJET merger is completed.

After that I think its in the best interest of all parties to be together. The whipsaw is effectively dead when you cannot recruit new pilots. Also, by combining forces you can lower your overall need for crew. Being able to offer bases throughout the country will offer better recuiting and retention. Plus, think what kind of trips they could produce.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

ASA ALPA proposed combining all SkyWest Inc. pilots on to one list, one company.

SkyWest Inc. management said (no suprise) NFW.

So Inc. paid for a meeting with all pilot groups to say no. You can do that over the phone. Or not entertain at all. Looking ahead a few years its not hard to see where the challenges lie for Skywest Inc. Every pilot hired for XJT is one less for Skywest and vice versa... Best to put them together and hire off the bottom and place people where you need them.

 

[www.]

It is in the TPA (transition process agreement) that ALPA will not persue a merger with Skywest until the ASA/XJET merger is completed.

After that I think its in the best interest of all parties to be together. The whipsaw is effectively dead when you cannot recruit new pilots. Also, by combining forces you can lower your overall need for crew. Being able to offer bases throughout the country will offer better recuiting and retention. Plus, think what kind of trips they could produce.

Are you sure? Doesn't it say something about another acquired airline?

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

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Pilot - Atlanta, GA

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E-mail:
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[amcnd]

Read the letter put out. They never said "no" to one list.. Sounds like alpa/sapa are on the same page now.. No wipsaw

 

[Nevets]

One list

 

[BHopper88]

Form 1 list and have company certify SAPA dumping ALPA.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Base and equipmebt fences?
SLI?
What to do with former ASA/xjt pilots that came to Skywest a long time ago.

 

[trip]

What to do with former ASA/xjt pilots that came to Skywest a long time ago.

What is the question here? Did they not quit and interview then gain employment @ SKYW?

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I guess it is real. I just got the email. ONE LIST!

 

[drinksonme]

ASA/XJT and SKYW will not be on one list until the shareholders and BOD agree that is what is best for the company. To them, pilots are the like the 16 year old who wants a new car. They will make you believe it COULD, COULD, happen, but most likely it will not happen for years.

At the end of the day, the shareholders drive the BOD at SKYW INC. The BOD still puts on a good show to the shareholders about how two airlines is best for INC and thus the shareholders. Eventually, enough shareholders are going to ask why INC has not brought everything (2 OCC's, 2 HR Departments, 3, yes 3, training departments, a mulititude of insurance and benefits plans, etc..) under one roof to save cost, or as the execs like to say, create synergies. When Jerry and the rest of BOD can't come up with a good reason anymore, SKYW and ASA/XJT will merge into one. Hell, even members of the BOD are currently questioning why INC has 2 airlines. (Source for that is the pilot, "a friend", who flies that board member around privately.) When only one airline, with one pilot, flight attendant, mechanic, dispatcher, scheduling, management, group exists, it will be the shareholders that make it so....not ALPA and SAPA

And this below is funny

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Relax everybody. The groups were getting together to film their own "This Is My ExpressJet" film series. The deadline is tomorrow.

 

[bigshooter107]

Relax everybody. The groups were getting together to film their own "This Is My ExpressJet" film series. The deadline is tomorrow.

Just spit my drink out in the gate area, that is the best one I have heard in a while.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

ASA/XJT and SKYW will not be on one list until the shareholders and BOD agree that is what is best for the company. To them, pilots are the like the 16 year old who wants a new car. They will make you believe it COULD, COULD, happen, but most likely it will not happen for years.

At the end of the day, the shareholders drive the BOD at SKYW INC. The BOD still puts on a good show to the shareholders about how two airlines is best for INC and thus the shareholders. Eventually, enough shareholders are going to ask why INC has not brought everything (2 OCC's, 2 HR Departments, 3, yes 3, training departments, a mulititude of insurance and benefits plans, etc..) under one roof to save cost, or as the execs like to say, create synergies. When Jerry and the rest of BOD can't come up with a good reason anymore, SKYW and ASA/XJT will merge into one. Hell, even members of the BOD are currently questioning why INC has 2 airlines. (Source for that is the pilot, "a friend", who flies that board member around privately.) When only one airline, with one pilot, flight attendant, mechanic, dispatcher, scheduling, management, group exists, it will be the shareholders that make it so....not ALPA and SAPA

And this below is funny

I'm sure they've got a whole drawer full of excuses for the stock price not rebounding. From a shareholder's perspective, it absolutely makes sense to consolidate facilities, resources, and labor. However, a shareholder doesn't give a hoot about one list.

 

[drinksonme]

^^^^^my point exactly. One list would only be a byproduct of putting both airlines into one, not the driving force....neither are ALPA or SAPA. I mean come on, every pilot knows ALPA is a joke. So is SAPA....you think the execs of companies do not. Placating the union leaders with words of wonder and that is all that is needed to make the union stay down. If the union gets ballsy.....bankruptcy and cut the balls off.....really not that hard to break and control a union

 

[amcnd]

How much savings a year would "one" airline yeld... 20 mill? Just a guess... But if or magins keep shrinking... They may have too....

 

[Nevets]

^^^^^my point exactly. One list would only be a byproduct of putting both airlines into one, not the driving force....neither are ALPA or SAPA. I mean come on, every pilot knows ALPA is a joke. So is SAPA....you think the execs of companies do not. Placating the union leaders with words of wonder and that is all that is needed to make the union stay down. If the union gets ballsy.....bankruptcy and cut the balls off.....really not that hard to break and control a union

Bankruptcy? That'll be good for the stock price and thus the shareholders. Bankruptcy is also a decision of the BOD. Don't necessarily disagree with much else you said.

 

[Nevets]

How much savings a year would "one" airline yeld... 20 mill? Just a guess... But if or magins keep shrinking... They may have too....

Just for perspective, Inc said they would "achieve $60 to $70 million in annual savings" with a "potential for $0.45 - $0.50 of incremental annual EPS" from merging ASA with XJT.

 

[goose32]

So if the ASA and Xjet merger created a "Super" Regional, what would adding Skywest create? Mega? Ultra? SureJet?

 

[SPDBRD747400]

So if the ASA and Xjet merger created a "Super" Regional, what would adding Skywest create? Mega? Ultra? SureJet?

I would say "Magnum" Regional

 

[asayankee]

Us and the A380 would now be "Super"-s. All departures would require runway inspections and 5 minutes of separation.

 

[xkuzme1]

Could be a way to park the ERJs.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Could be a way to park the ERJs.

Not really cool to joke about that.

 

[wms]

The memo just says the topic was mentioned. That doesn't mean it is being considered. Most xjet guys don't want to merge with skyw.

Most xjet pilots want to remain alpa, especially since DAL will hire 35% from alpa dci carriers and it is rumored Ual will have a similar stipulation. The rest will be split by mil, fracs, corp, 135, returning expats, cargo, non alpa regionals, etc.

Ps. If there is integration, the employees choose the representation not the company, so we can all be treated equally with equal representation, and the skyw guys won't get the extra koolaid parties from sgu. There has been whip-sawing, but with at least some of the group being alpa, the company has been motivated to keep the rest happy to prevent more organizing. If we were merged and gave up representation (I DONT CARE WHAT SGU TELLS YOU, SAPA IS NOT REPRESENTATION) there would be nothing to prevent the company from imposing its own compensation and work rules on the whole pilot group, which is their end game.