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[Midnight Flyer]

Im not saying things are bad here at CCIA at all. I enjoy the flying, the people and the equipment I feel is very well maintained. I have a great QOL that I enjoy far better than my buddies over at the regionals and even some of the majors.

My point is this. We pilots at CCIA have everything to gain in this deal. We have some stability (they just signed a 6 year deal with the germans) and we have the real possiblity of expansion which we havent seen in a loooong time. If management takes any ideas from ATI and implement them here, again we will be better off.

A good example is just in the hotels. Generally ATI puts their crews up in better hotels than we do. If the company decided to use the same hotels all the way around than maybe it will be a step up for us.

The ATI guys on the other hand can easily go backwards. If managment wants to implement more of CCIA efficiencies into ATI to make it more profitable than the ATI crews will probably lose some of the nice things they have. And I guarrantee they are going to have a heavy duty fight on their hands in the contract negotiations.

I think this is a great things for both companies. Maybe now we have a company (the germans) that are really going to commit to moving some freight.

I just feel the ATI crews, which I really like and get along with, are going to have a genuine fight on their hands, the like of which we have been fighting for several years.

That's true, we at CCIA can only gain from all of this. Im my mind, we already have if we truly have a 6 year contract that they will stick with.

Do you think that since we're still seperate airlines and probably always will be, that CHI will start making them stay in the same crappy hotels we do?
That's what I can't figure out, because if the airlines are run seperately, then they would remain in their origional hotels. besides, they have teamsters (I believe) and we don't even have a union, only an association. CHI can't just go in there and change hotels on them if it's already written in the contract.

 

[RJDC]

by the way, lay off the rj pilot. he is probably a young kid trying to build time. He knows nothing about what we do, our buisness, what we fly, qol or money we make.

I do know one thing about your business. You sure don't make near the money that your counterparts at UPS/FedEx/ABX and Astar make for flying the same aircraft doing the same type of flying. Why is that?

 

[Midnight Flyer]

I do know one thing about your business. You sure don't make near the money that your counterparts at UPS/FedEx/ABX and Astar make for flying the same aircraft doing the same type of flying. Why is that?

I'm no financial expert but I would say, because Fed Ex and UPS have their "own" freight unlike us. They are also a major airline with a huge number of aircraft, where we have less than 15 or so aircraft.

I say, pound for pound, we do pretty well given our size and what we do.

 

[SaifAir]

The talk of the 767's going to ATI and the 757's to Crappy does not make any sense. Why would you separate these aircraft on separate certificates? It is a common type rating that would make for a lot of inefficient scheduling compared to both types on the same certificate. It is going to come down to one thing -- cost to operate the aircraft. ATI is a much better company, because thier group has dug thier heels in before. Cappy guys will alway bend over and take what Chorley throws at them.

 

[big pimpn']

I do know one thing about your business. You sure don't make near the money that your counterparts at UPS/FedEx/ABX and Astar make for flying the same aircraft doing the same type of flying. Why is that?

Sorry. I don't speak retardese. Can you get someone to translate into meaningful English before you post, please? Trying to get something of value out of your post is like trying to squeeze orange juice out of an apple. Why is it that the people with the smallest minds always have the biggest mouths? A long period of non-posting would be most welcome on your part. I suggest you need Mark Twain's advice; "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

Why don't you shrink your head and use it as a paperweight? It's not much use for writing intelligent posts with, that's for sure. If you're going to say something that ignorant, you could at least fake a stroke. You've got a big hole in your head, now shut it. When you are at a loss for words, your loss is our gain. To quote Thomas Brackett Reed: "They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge."

To sum up: you are about as smart as your rubber bow tie and two left shoes suggest, Bozo. Now, go curl back up in your corner, and continue chewing on your toenails.

 

[big pimpn']

Sorry for getting off the topic,

CHI purchasing ATI does not have any significance when it comes to the fact that ATI has a union and CCI does not. This is a good thing in my opinion for CCI. ATI’s union would never allow CHI to resort to sub par hotels, lower pay, or any other lower qol issues; this puts CCI in a very good position. CCI now has leverage to join the teamsters, get a pay increase, and stay in nicer hotels now that both companies are going to be owned by CHI.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

The talk of the 767's going to ATI and the 757's to Crappy does not make any sense. Why would you separate these aircraft on separate certificates? It is a common type rating that would make for a lot of inefficient scheduling compared to both types on the same certificate. It is going to come down to one thing -- cost to operate the aircraft. ATI is a much better company, because thier group has dug thier heels in before. Cappy guys will alway bend over and take what Chorley throws at them.

Cost is definately a factor with CHI and CCIA. I dont' know where you get your information about Cappy pilots bending over and taking it from Chorley. Most people I fly with hate him with a vengence, but I can name you 2-3 that are "yes men" for the company, but you have those types where ever you go.

For the most part, he is hated and we try not to take any of his crap.

 

[727Niteflyer]

Big Pimpin I agree completely with you. Thats why I said before we have nothing to lose in this deal (CCIA that is).

As for 767s, if CHI decides to retire some of the 8's ATI probably will see 76's on the property to replace them. CHI already owns 4.

I really for see though ATI operating the MAC and charter stuff with wide bodies and CCIA taking over a majority of the Toledo freight, either with more 72's or 75's. Like I said they are looking very hard at replacing the 72's because of the price of gas.

And then their is RJDC. I really dont compare my pay to ups, fedex and abex because of our buisness (acmi). I have many friends over at usair, united, and nw that use to brag about how much they made also. Now they are not making much more than I do . Those who are making the big bucks now probably will get knocked down sooner or later. It will be a matter of time before someone gets the idea of making a LCC in the overnight freight buisness and offer to transport packages overnight for 5 bucks. When that happens those in the purple and brown will probably feel the pinch also. To make such a statement as you did shows alot of cockiness and stupidity.

 

[needapayraise]

Big Pimpin I agree completely with you. Thats why I said before we have nothing to lose in this deal (CCIA that is).

As for 767s, if CHI decides to retire some of the 8's ATI probably will see 76's on the property to replace them. CHI already owns 4.

I really for see though ATI operating the MAC and charter stuff with wide bodies and CCIA taking over a majority of the Toledo freight, either with more 72's or 75's. Like I said they are looking very hard at replacing the 72's because of the price of gas.

And then their is RJDC. I really dont compare my pay to ups, fedex and abex because of our buisness (acmi). I have many friends over at usair, united, and nw that use to brag about how much they made also. Now they are not making much more than I do . Those who are making the big bucks now probably will get knocked down sooner or later. It will be a matter of time before someone gets the idea of making a LCC in the overnight freight buisness and offer to transport packages overnight for 5 bucks. When that happens those in the purple and brown will probably feel the pinch also. To make such a statement as you did shows alot of cockiness and stupidity.

Both ABX and Astar are ACMI carriers and they pay WAY more than CCI or ATI.

 

[PCL_128]

Both ABX and Astar are ACMI carriers and they pay WAY more than CCI or ATI.

That's because, as you know, ABEX and AStar weren't ACMI carriers until the German buy-out. The ACMI carriers like CCIA and Kalitta will eventually bring their pay up, but it will take time. For now, the pay isn't bad, and it's certainly better starting pay than the regionals. That much is certain.

 

[big pimpn']

Your right, CCIA does have an in house union. To be more specific, I am hoping that with the acquisition CCIA can come over and join the teamsters. As you pointed out, this would further unify both pilot groups at ATI and CCIA.

 

[Usedtobe]

To DAL737FO, I suppose I did not word my comments exactly the way they should have been. Let me clear it up a little bit. Must of us know that you were a crewmember at CCIA and that you left and returned to Delta which most if not all would have done in your case. I sincerely wish you the best there. My point was and is,event more so to the RJDC guy, if you are trying to add to the "dark side" of what may or may not happen as a result of this latest change in our jobs at CCIA and ATI, please don't do that. There are those of us who work at both of these companies who want to continue working here and try and make things better for both groups. WE all have a common goal now and we will be more successful if we try and work together. As some here have said, this is a great opportunity for all of us at both companies. Oh and by the way DAL737FO, why did you assume that I worked at ATI??? That was your first wrong assumption, but not that important. AS for the RJDC guy,do the rest of you guys remember when you were new with 5000 hours and had all the answers?

 

[Midnight Flyer]

As for the RJDC guy,do the rest of you guys remember when you were new with 5000 hours and had all the answers?

I remember when I was new, and you're right; alot of us go through somewhat of a confidence stage, thinking we know it all. I just can't recall ever running my mouth like RJDC has, which only makes him look stupid.
It's just irratating when people like him jump in this thread stirring the pot.

Speaking of stirring the pot, it seems like the only positive posts relating to this CHI/ATI/CCIA thing is coming from us Cappy and ATI pilots. All of the negative posts seem to be from jealous outsiders or disgruntled ex employees. (not talking about you, DAL737fo, you're ok in my book ).

I don't know who RJDC is, but it's obvious he is either a former employee or somebody who quit and is now kicking himself in the a$$ because of it. There is no reason a regional pilot would hold such an interest in this thread unless he has worked here.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

I think the future of both CCIA and ATI is bright, and I hope we can all ride it to good fortune.

AMEN BRUTHA! :nuts:

 

[needapayraise]

Just wait till some upstart LCC cargo airline comes along and underbids you for the BAX flying.

 

[727Niteflyer]

Just wait till some upstart LCC cargo airline comes along and underbids you for the BAX flying.

we have been fighting off the likes of cat and expressnet for the past 4 or 5 years. Hopefully this 6 year contract will finally allow us some room to breath.

 

[Publishers]

The money today is in the key word back at the beginning of this thread, logistics. Logistics is the key phrase to controling freight, where and how it travels, by controling the system rather than just providing simple lift from a to b. Many of these companies look at the air operation as a necessary evil. they make all their money on other parts of the business.

 

[mrvmo]

Don't think anybody is kicking themselves in the shi%#er for leaving Cappy, getting a bit high on ourselves aren't we?

 

[727Niteflyer]

Don't think anybody is kicking themselves in the shi%#er for leaving Cappy, getting a bit high on ourselves aren't we?

Well I think that those of us here at Cappy and ATI are really thinking that this could turn in to a very good thing. If the Germans wanted to expand the airfreight buisness than we (both companies) are going to be the ones doing it. I dont know whether anyone would regret leaving. Lord knows I regretted some of the decisions Ive made in the past. Im just keeping my fingers crossed that the decision to stay here might turn out to be a good one.

Brinks has had no interest in the past of committing any resources into bax. Those of us that have been flying the system have watched freight loads sky rocket yet bax doesnt want to add airplanes or expand. All of the employees of both companies are thinking this could turn into something good.

It seems inevitable that if your in aviation long enough you make a bad decision that you later regret.

 

[dsee8driver]

I do know one thing about your business. You sure don't make near the money that your counterparts at UPS/FedEx/ABX and Astar make for flying the same aircraft doing the same type of flying. Why is that?

Sorry RJ, I don't know where you get your information from but ATI-BAX are not in the same category of business as Fed EX/UPS/ABX. ABX is now trying to get into the ACMI, FED EX/UPS/DHL fly very different cargo. They still depend on the next day letter/package stuff as BAX moves the bigger-heavy freight. We fly same planes but business is very different.