Base Realignment for Pincha-nickel!

[Flyer1015]

Shift from MSP/MEM to DTW/JFK. Asking for 50 crews to DTW and 25 to JFK. Expecting the shift out of MSP/MEM, but everyone is open to bid and ge whatever their seniority will hold.

 

[DoinTime]

Shift from MSP/MEM to DTW/JFK. Asking for 50 crews to DTW and 25 to JFK. Expecting the shift out of MSP/MEM, but everyone is open to bid and ge whatever their seniority will hold.

Everyone has already had a chance to move around the system where ever they want to go. This is going to be a straight displacement. Depending on the timeline of the SLI, it might pull XJ and Colgan pilots into the displacement as well.

 

[Airscrew]

Wait... What?

 

[Flyer1015]

No, this will be pre-SLI. The CA slots can't be displacement. Worse case scenario, current FOs will bid for the CA slots to upgrade. The displacement issue lies in the FOs. There may be some FOs who chose to go to ATL, DTW, or JFK. Otherwise, then it will be a displacement out of MEM MSP, inverse seniority order.

 

[DoinTime]

No, this will be pre-SLI. The CA slots can't be displacement. Worse case scenario, current FOs will bid for the CA slots to upgrade. The displacement issue lies in the FOs. There may be some FOs who chose to go to ATL, DTW, or JFK. Otherwise, then it will be a displacement out of MEM MSP, inverse seniority order.

The company memo indicates nothing along these lines.

 

[RJLoser]

The ca's will be upgrades. fo's will most likely be new hires.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

I don't like the fact that this will be done pre-sli. Junior 9e pilots in mem and msp will be forced out while the junior pilots at xj will not be affected.

 

[v1valarob]

I don't like the fact that this will be done pre-sli. Junior 9e pilots in mem and msp will be forced out while the junior pilots at xj will not be affected.

Junior pilots at XJ are staring at furlough. How is that fair to a XJ guy that has 9L pilots who are junior to them but are able to hold lines at 9L? How is it fair for a 9L pilot 10 away from upgrade to possibly soon be 200 away from upgrade?

This industry isnt fair.

 

[Raoul Duke]

life is not fair - and the world needs ditch diggers

 

[DoinTime]

The ca's will be upgrades. fo's will most likely be new hires.

That is unlikely.

 

[i fly boxes]

Just so you guys know, this is not a displacement. No one can lose their current seat if it is a vacancy. If 50 captains do not want to go to JFK/DTW, then FO's who do will. From the companies point of view, they are probably hoping that 50 captains from MSP and MEM want to go to DTW/JFK, then they will not backfill the spots that those captainst left in MEM/MSP.

Where this could turn into a displacement is if not enough captains leave msp and mem, thus allowing Fo's to bid those spots for upgrades. That would leave the company with too many captains still and then they would probably change the vacancy to displacements which would be bad for them becuase they would have to pay and bad for junior captians in mem/msp.

Another thing to think about when bidding though is where do you want to be pre sli? We probably will have another vacancy before then but you never know.

 

[cougarblue]

RJLOSER: The ca's will be upgrades. fo's will most likely be new hires.
i fly boxes:Just so you guys know, this is not a displacement. No one can lose their current seat

ok what you guys said is entirely inaccurate. This is a realignment/displacement (did you not read the memo?). There will no longer be 120 9e captains is msp, more like 70-80. this is not a vacancy to add additional captain positions at pinnacle, this is a realignment. Those msp/mem captains & FOs will be displaced (unfortunantly). It is true that those msp captains wont get downgraded if they are senior enough to hold a captain slot elsewhere... but yes lots of dispacements

 

[say again]

life is not fair - and the world needs ditch diggers

true, but it probably pays more

 

[RJLoser]

Cougar- the memo specifically states "vacancies will be created". Where did you see the word displacements?

-sounds like you are the one that did not read the memo

 

[DoinTime]

Cougar- the memo specifically states "vacancies will be created". Where did you see the word displacements?

-sounds like you are the one that did not read the memo

Read the next paragraph ding dong. Vacancies are a part of displacements. Those positions are being created to accommodate the pilots from the positions that have been reduced.

 

[RJLoser]

All the memo has said is that there will be a vacancy. Not a displacement. They said they hope not to displace.

 

[CoATP]

Plan looks like: a) Vacancy announcement to move some pilots cheaply b) reduce cost of displacement by getting new Contract c) Displace pilots to finish realignment at a lower cost than currently and do it before SLI so that the number of base movements are limited.

 

[altimaklr]

Dispacements for FO's probably will be minimized because new-hires will fill JFK and DTW while people upgrading out of MEM and MSP will not be backfilled. CA Dispacements are almost a foregone conclusion, most MEM/MSP do not want to leave.

 

[sinkrate]

Cougar- the memo specifically states "vacancies will be created". Where did you see the word displacements?

-sounds like you are the one that did not read the memo

I just read both the current Mesaba and Pinnacle section 24's. The verbiage used in the two sections is different. In Mesaba's contract a 'Realignment Notice' includes what is called a 'Displacement' in Pinnacle's contract. It appears management is using the verbiage in Mesaba's contract. That suggests the JCBA uses the Mesaba contract language and management is using this 'memo' to satify some of the notification requirements. They would not but this memo out just for general information.

This is going to make the SLI even messier. They are displacing a lot of CA's out of PCL's most senior bases. The reinstatement rights better be good.

 

[Flyer1015]

thus allowing Fo's to bid those spots for upgrades. That would leave the company with too many captains still

What are you smoking? We are so short on CAs, upgrading 50 CAs system wide we would still be short on Captains.

 

[RJLoser]

The company Memo has been removed.

 

[xjhawk]

This sounds like a mess.

 

[RJLoser]

Officially a displacement.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

A displacement without vacancies (or less vacancies then people displaced) means a furlough.

A displacement with vacancies is..... a displacement.

 

[Smarta$$]

Should be interesting. Probably a lot of people bidding back to FO to stay in base, additional FO displacements because of downgrades, upgrades with extended training events (to replace the voluntary (not really) downgrades, and dozens of additional call in honest events per day because people can't get to their sh!ty new domiciles.....

This should be GOOD entertainment. And sadly, a lot of unneeded pain and hardship (yet again) for Pinnacle pilots.

 

[RJLoser]

You think? I don't believe people would go back to the right seat.

 

[i fly boxes]

Its going to be interesting now that it is officially a displacement. 100 memphis pilots will no longer be memphis pilots. Those who base hop will probably take the displacement but the commute from MEM to DTW is only 4 flights a day and they area always full and the MEM JFK sucks and then you factor in the upcoming SLI and you have some big decisions to make. I think that JFK will be filled with people wanting to upgrade, and DTW will have a lot of MSP captains who were bumped. I worry about the junior DTW caps as well who were just starting to get off of reserve after 3 agonizing years of pinnacle reserve, will they get pushed back farther now?

 

[sinkrate]

Its going to be interesting now that it is officially a displacement. 100 memphis pilots will no longer be memphis pilots. Those who base hop will probably take the displacement but the commute from MEM to DTW is only 4 flights a day and they area always full and the MEM JFK sucks and then you factor in the upcoming SLI and you have some big decisions to make. I think that JFK will be filled with people wanting to upgrade, and DTW will have a lot of MSP captains who were bumped. I worry about the junior DTW caps as well who were just starting to get off of reserve after 3 agonizing years of pinnacle reserve, will they get pushed back farther now?

The bottom 10 or 15 ATL CA's are at risk too. A number of mid seniority MEM CA's that commute will consider going to ATL for the relatively easier commute plus the expense check. A number of cities are down to just two flights a day to MEM. Expect to see a small number of CA's hang out long enough for the expense check - and then quit. A small number of CA's in both MEM and MSP will bid back to FO to avoid a nasty commute. They will mostly be senior enough to hold just about any CA vacancy that comes open in the near future. The wild card is the ATL FO seat. Most of them at the bottom won't be paying attention when they get bumped out of ATL. It won't surprise me to see a couple of 200 CA's bid ATL FO so they can hold a line.

 

[bri5150]

Wow, things must have been REALLY bad at Pinnacle if a simple realignment is creating such a stir. *roll eyes* Welcome to Mesaba's life since I got here 6 years ago.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Wow, things must have been REALLY bad at Pinnacle if a simple realignment is creating such a stir. *roll eyes* Welcome to Mesaba's life since I got here 6 years ago.

No kidding, we have just as big if not bigger mess in progress with the pending closing of DTW Saabs and LGA opening (with NO nonstop flights between LGA and any current base on US Airways to move reserves there if needed for this ramp up)