B747 down in South America?

[Guam360]

Heavy crew=8 crewmembers? what is up with that?

5 pilots
1 MX
1 LM
1 courier

 

[1031Guy]

Kalitta put out a press release indicating all crewmembers survived. I can't find a copy, but's it's out there.

 

[embpic1]

I have been saying that for ages. Scavengers have no place in aviation business. Sooner or later it shows. Maybe now FAA will take a closer look to Connie's business. Terrorizing your employees, using used parts made new through your own aviation parts company, using old planes is not a fair way to do business. I know many of Kalitta's little pupies bailed out jail by Connie and with no other place to go will jump barking at me but "c'est la vie".
Two planes this year is kind of too much

You must be on cloud nine. You revel in other peoples misery. What does that say about you.

 

[Flyer8]

This from USA Today:
Kalitta Air Vice President Pete Sanderlin told The Associated Press that the plane, with eight crewmembers aboard, had stopped in Bogota to pick up flowers and was scheduled to land in Miami.
"We think all of the crew on board had various injuries, from slight to more serious injuries," Sanderlin said.
Two crewmembers were treated at a local hospital, while six others were sent to the Central Police Hospital in Bogota. The director there, Col. Nader Lujan, told RCN radio that one, identified as Joseph Kendall, underwent surgery to have his spleen removed and was recuperating.
Sounds serious,but also encouraging...

 

[l8fr82hub]

six others were sent to the Central Police Hospital in Bogota

Police Hospital?! That can't be good.

 

[jetjock6]

I hope this thing doesn't turn into a big legal goat rope for these guys.

 

[Rally]

I hope this thing doesn't turn into a big legal goat rope for these guys.

Thats what I was thinking. These guys need to get out of the country like now.

 

[§kyye Candy]

Just found this a few mins ago... interesting footage link at the end. Ouch. Glad the crewmembers all made it out OK.

http://www.myairfaresecrets.com/?hop=sco9584&gclid=CIHg5dKQr5QCFQWNggodATYStA

 

[avbug]

I have been saying that for ages. Scavengers have no place in aviation business. Sooner or later it shows. Maybe now FAA will take a closer look to Connie's business. Terrorizing your employees, using used parts made new through your own aviation parts company, using old planes is not a fair way to do business. I know many of Kalitta's little pupies bailed out jail by Connie and with no other place to go will jump barking at me but "c'est la vie".
Two planes this year is kind of too much

Precisely what we would have expected from the illustrious countbat...stupidity, incorrect ignorance, and unsubstantiated, foolish statements made rashly without basis of fact or experience. At least you're consistent.

Terrorized employees? Little "pupies (sic)" bailed out of jail? Older airplanes are not fair? Scavengers?

Could you possibly post and sound more stupid? While it doesn't seem possible, no doubt you're going to reply and prove it so.

Play on.

 

[CRACKHEAD]

Crew members on board

I found these names on a Colombian Newspaper's website. I wish everyone on board a safe a fast recovery.

The news paper doesn't mention if anyone on board passed, it just mentions the following results in Spanish.

I hope this helps anyone worried about their friends on board.


Joseph Kendall. Tripulante, le extrajeron el bazo.
Steve Szynkowski. 28 años, de la tripulación, fue sometido a cirugía en la columna.
Richard Dunlap. 65 años, tripulante. Hematomas.
Mohamed Bahman. 30 años, hematomas y lesiones menores.
Bryant Beebe. 51 años, piloto. Traumas en espalda y cadera.
Jimmy Herrera. 45 años, sufrió lesiones menores en la columna.

 

[graseby]

5 pilots
1 MX
1 LM
1 courier

If Kalitta is using PFE, why do they need MX? They will only need 3 pilots, 2 PFE and 1 LM. They save 1 man.

 

[embpic1]

If Kalitta is using PFE, why do they need MX? They will only need 3 pilots, 2 PFE and 1 LM. They save 1 man.

All of our airplanes have ride on MX. When the plane gets to it's destination, the crew goes to the hotel and the ride on mechanic fixes any discrepancies and services it.

 

[DrProc]

If Kalitta is using PFE, why do they need MX? They will only need 3 pilots, 2 PFE and 1 LM. They save 1 man.

Imagine flying a ten hour flight after being on duty for sixteen hours, landing, then having to fix the plane while the rest of the crew rests. Even though most PFE's are A&P's, how many have the required mx training to maintain a B747. A lot of long haul freighters carry mx.

 

[Colonel Savage]

What kind of duty day had they been scheduled for?

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

And how many operations per day and total aircraft were there vs. mishap aircraft at US Air, AA, and FEDEX.

What's that ratio in this instance?

What's the rate of engine shutdowns at the major airlines vs. these 747 outfits?

I sorry but you guys are F'N ridiculous. We all know that it is about odds, ...or we should.

These accidents are very sad, and my condolences to all involved.

PtP

 

[embpic1]

And how many operations per day and total aircraft were there vs. mishap aircraft at US Air, AA, and FEDEX.

What's that ratio in this instance?

What's the rate of engine shutdowns at the major airlines vs. these 747 outfits?

Sure. Kick us when we are down. We have had some rotten luck these last few months. No denying that. But all you 'these 747 otfits' bashers are just pissing me off. You make accusations with little to no information. The wreckage is still smoldering and you pricks are jumping all over us. Give me a break!

 

[§kyye Candy]

What kind of duty day had they been scheduled for?

Good Q... not sure, but I heard the engines (or one of them) caught on fire. Then again, who knows WHEN it actually torched.

They are sending a P&W engr. out with the investigation team.

 

[LR25]

Two whales in the dirt, several injuries and now loss of precious life. Doesn't take employment at Kalitta to come to the realization that things aren't completely safe!!!!

I guess you found us out, we are all dare devils.

 

[JT8D]

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[LR25]

?

How many aircrafts Fedex has? How huge of an operation they run? If they would crash an airplane per year it will still be way bellow 1%, but Kalitta's 2 crashes out of 20 airplanes is 10% of fleet(although they have less airplanes). Statistic Fedex( I'm not sure but they must have few hundred airplanes) should have higher risk for crashes than an operation of 20 airplanes.

I wonder how many hours our planes fly in a day, compared to any of the overnite guys?

 

[JFReservist]

Some of you folks are unbelievable...

If you haven't been a part of a squadron/flight department that has had a string of $hitty times, STFU. I'm willing to bet that most that throw blame and suggest heads are hung haven't been through something like this. There are times when you just say sorry fellers, hope everything gets better. Causes will be figured out later, and yes we are all professionals that are held to a level few will ever understand - but none of that crap matters when you know it could be one of your best friends out there.

Godspeed on the recovery fellers, and fly safe. My family's thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved.

 

[jdlilfan]

Imagine flying a ten hour flight after being on duty for sixteen hours, landing, then having to fix the plane while the rest of the crew rests. Even though most PFE's are A&P's, how many have the required mx training to maintain a B747. A lot of long haul freighters carry mx.

Atlas did the same at the airport I work at. Atlas Mx assisted us with fueling (and servicing-we usually only get Lears or King Airs) as well as unloading humvees. Sorry to kinda hijack the thread.

My prayers to a speedy recovery! Crazy weekend for freight dawgs!

 

[Airbus300]

Local accident video clip.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/07/colombia.crash.ap/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

 

[waka]

With the 2 Kalitta crashes and USA Jet, be ready for the media to put out a special report; "Cargo Airplanes, Terror from Above?" or "Up next. Should cargo aiircraft even be allowed to fly above populated areas? Our aviation expert says no"

I would not be surprised........really.

 

[Justthefacts]

Some of you folks are unbelievable...

If you haven't been a part of a squadron/flight department that has had a string of $hitty times, STFU. I'm willing to bet that most that throw blame and suggest heads are hung haven't been through something like this. There are times when you just say sorry fellers, hope everything gets better. Causes will be figured out later, and yes we are all professionals that are held to a level few will ever understand - but none of that crap matters when you know it could be one of your best friends out there.

Godspeed on the recovery fellers, and fly safe. My family's thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved.

Well Said.....

I would not wish any of this weekends events on anyone,,,,, even the dip $hits making these horrible accusations,,,,

God bless the families and all people involved,,,,

 

[Boz]

unbelievable the lack of respect a handful of posters have for an airlines unfortunate circumstance. Its a disgrace to see such disprespect posted when a tragedy strikes. I just wonder what the hell is going through there minds to be so crude and have unpolished statements.

The cause of the event will come out in an investigation as has every other airline incedent/accident. For now, I wish the crew a speedy recovery and hope your home ward bound soon.

 

[Golden Falcon]

A loaded up whale in a turn aint no ball of fire on 3 (if that was the case) wouldnt take much of a downdraft or weather situation to put them into a jam

 

[pilotpm]

Hang in there....

Hey gang sorry to here about these horrible events. I have several friends that went to Kalitta recently after the shut down of ATA. I hope that the Co. is strong enough to overcome these events and that you all can move forward with your lives without anymore misfortune. Good luck and stay strong!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

With the 2 Kalitta crashes and USA Jet, be ready for the media to put out a special report; "Cargo Airplanes, Terror from Above?" or "Up next. Should cargo aiircraft even be allowed to fly above populated areas? Our aviation expert says no"

I would not be surprised........really.

Oh, you can count on that. Once we have a slow news week some editor will decide to hit the public with a nice "random death from above" segement to boost viewership/circulation.

I agree wholeheartedly that the "pilots" flinging negativity need to STFU. You aren't helping anyone and you are disrespecting your brother/sister pilots. It is like going to a funeral for a car crash victim to tell the mother of the deceased what a crummy driver her was. Bad F'ing taste and it doesn't change a thing.

The accident report will be out soon enough. Then we can all learn something. For now, lets act like the community of professionals we are supposed to be and support those affected by this weeks tragic events.

... Just one worn out turboprop drivers viewpoint anyway. Pay me no mind.

 

[sf3boy]

And how many operations per day and total aircraft were there vs. mishap aircraft at US Air, AA, and FEDEX.

What's that ratio in this instance?

What's the rate of engine shutdowns at the major airlines vs. these 747 outfits?

What is the ratio of Kallita's planes having some mechanical trouble has the root cause vs. Fedex? Oh wait, FedEx guys crash 'em with nothing wrong.

"let's land in TLH today about a mile from the runway in the mud, what do you say boys?"

"look, its kinda windy and no other DC-10's have crashed this morning, but you're about to be let go and I am retiring. So its up to you to run this sucker off the pavement and burn it up. Just remember to get your bags."