B6 Hiring

[banger]

Sitting in the hotel for 24 hours on my 6th day on. I get to go home after another transcon tomorrow. They stuck a 3-day on the end of my 4-day and Flica was no hope in improving that. I'm a lineholder, as if that matters. It's all about rsv coverage concerning sched manipulation. The only real time-off strategy is calling in sick and I'm sure that they're looking for a way to remove that option from us.
Insult to injury, this 3-day is only worth 10:41, due to the 24-hour layover. I'm just killing them on per diem!
10.25 years here. I don't live in base, I don't get Flica alerts, never even picked up an RSA. Picking up RSAs is enabling the company to grossly understaff us. Kinda like putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.
I've never come close to 200K, I just fly my schedule.
The work rule "efficiencies" are whittling us down, year-by-year.
Comparing W2s, 2011 to 2012, I made $8900 dollars LESS and made $325 bucks MORE in perdiem.

LESS money and MORE time away from home...
If you really NEED a job, come to JB. And keep shooting the apps out.
This is no long-term career position.

Thanks! THis is a very accurate description of the 10yr guy. Imagine what a 4-7 yr commuting life is like.

 

[banger]

I agree, however someone like myself is more fortunate, wife makes a hell of a lot than I do and probably ever will. Doesn't make it right, just easier for me

Good for you! You might be the perfect JB candidate. Hopefully you can live in base and get to see her. We have some fantastic Island layovers here. When you can bring her along she will enjoy it.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

I said they make close to 200k. $155x78=$12,090 + $155x12x1.5=$2790. $12,090+2790=$14,880 per month x 12=$178,560. That is a 6 year 320 captain averaging 90 hours credit per month. Granted, most guys I fly with are a little more senior than that, but it gives you an idea of what I mean. 90 hours a month is not killing yourself if you play with flica a little and it's pretty easy if you don't commute. Again, I'm not saying JetBlue is great, but to act like its the worst place to be is being disingenuous. Telling 98% of regional pilots not to come here is a joke, period. Its also funny that I see a lot of other airlines flying around on the weekends. I wonder if there are any pilots flying those planes?

One can manipulate numbers very easily. You are talking about crediting 90 hours for 12 consecutive months. Again.......been here 8 years, I have Flica alerts, swap trips here and there when I am able, and have maybe reached 90 hours of credit once or twice during the year. The company's bid divisors are at an all time low (typically mid 70's), so unless you are in the top 20% of the seniority list, good luck with crediting 90 hours per month for 12 consecutive months! You are entitled to your opinion, but I am sticking with the facts.......most Captains do not make anywhere near 200K!

 

[MikeSF340]

I'm just relaying what I hear from 80% of the guys I fly with on the 320. Granted, most guys are not very junior. If you are awarded an 82ish hour line getting another few hours shouldn't be too hard. If you are looking for a 14.5 hour commutable 2 day, then you're screwed. Please understand, I'm not calling you a liar or discounting your experience. I fly with a lot of guys who credit that much time on average (or they just like to lie about it).

 

[ChuckDriver]

You sit right seat now for what looks like 10 or more years.

Could you tell me which major airline you can get hired at today and upgrade in less than 10 years?

 

[banger]

Could you tell me which major airline you can get hired at today and upgrade in less than 10 years?

None of them, and at JB it may be 30

 

[MikeSF340]

Or 5 or 6 or 15 or etc. Who knows, probably not a good measure of where to apply.

 

[CapnVegetto]

......*shakes head and buries face in hands.

 

[Splert]

I love all this talk about weekends off, holidays off and summer vacations. I guess only JetBlue pilots work on weekends and holidays. We should vote a union so we can all have weekends, holidays and summers off.

Vacation yes we do need a union to fix it.

JetBlue allows only 2 weeks per pilot.

12 years or newbies only 2 weeks.

Then the bidding system awards 6 weeks to the 12 year pilot.

Newbie gets nothing.

Compare that to any other vacation section in any peer CBA.

JetBlue allows very little vacation compared to any other peer pilot group.

Send 30 minutes comparing our FSM to just Alaska or swa CBA. You might learn something.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Vacation yes we do need a union to fix it.

JetBlue allows only 2 weeks per pilot.

12 years or newbies only 2 weeks.

Then the bidding system awards 6 weeks to the 12 year pilot.

Newbie gets nothing.

Compare that to any other vacation section in any peer CBA.

JetBlue allows very little vacation compared to any other peer pilot group.

Send 30 minutes comparing our FSM to just Alaska or swa CBA. You might learn something.

You don't "need" a CBA to solve this and there's no proof a CBA will solve it.

 

[Splert]

Going on 13 years with no fix.

Every airline in our peer group has it fixed.

Difference is a CBA vs DR.

Are you are house pilot.

 

[Flyby1206]

Could you tell me which major airline you can get hired at today and upgrade in less than 10 years?

US Airways for sure

 

[Splert]

One juicer posts the problem does not exist and the next juicer posts a union (collective bargaining instead of one item at a time direct relationship) isn't needed to fix the problem. Bottom line is Jetblue pilots have by a country mile the worst vacation system in the peer group and the juicers argue both sides of the issue. They are part of the reason why we can't get anywhere near peer standard anything.

 

[B6Busdriver]

You don't "need" a CBA to solve this and there's no proof a CBA will solve it.

Okay juicer, use your open door policy and ask them to fix it for us. Get back with us on the result.

The so called fix proposed by the PVC only fixes part of the issue. More slots need to be allocated and variance restrictions imposed. Will the company ever fix it Hairy?

 

[BentOver]

Could you tell me which major airline you can get hired at today and upgrade in less than 10 years?

Hawaiian's most junior Captain is an '08 hire...... Through just attrition anyone on the list now should be at the 50-55% point within 10 years.... With a little more growth over the next few years upgrades COULD be at 6-8 years... Or ******************** could hit the fan and it'll be 20

Either way, many many go straight into a widebody doing heavy international... Not a bad deal IMO


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