B6 Hiring

[banger]

Could you tell me which major airline you can get hired at today and upgrade in less than 10 years?

None of them, and at JB it may be 30

 

[MikeSF340]

Or 5 or 6 or 15 or etc. Who knows, probably not a good measure of where to apply.

 

[CapnVegetto]

......*shakes head and buries face in hands.

 

[Splert]

I love all this talk about weekends off, holidays off and summer vacations. I guess only JetBlue pilots work on weekends and holidays. We should vote a union so we can all have weekends, holidays and summers off.

Vacation yes we do need a union to fix it.

JetBlue allows only 2 weeks per pilot.

12 years or newbies only 2 weeks.

Then the bidding system awards 6 weeks to the 12 year pilot.

Newbie gets nothing.

Compare that to any other vacation section in any peer CBA.

JetBlue allows very little vacation compared to any other peer pilot group.

Send 30 minutes comparing our FSM to just Alaska or swa CBA. You might learn something.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Vacation yes we do need a union to fix it.

JetBlue allows only 2 weeks per pilot.

12 years or newbies only 2 weeks.

Then the bidding system awards 6 weeks to the 12 year pilot.

Newbie gets nothing.

Compare that to any other vacation section in any peer CBA.

JetBlue allows very little vacation compared to any other peer pilot group.

Send 30 minutes comparing our FSM to just Alaska or swa CBA. You might learn something.

You don't "need" a CBA to solve this and there's no proof a CBA will solve it.

 

[Splert]

Going on 13 years with no fix.

Every airline in our peer group has it fixed.

Difference is a CBA vs DR.

Are you are house pilot.

 

[Flyby1206]

Could you tell me which major airline you can get hired at today and upgrade in less than 10 years?

US Airways for sure

 

[Splert]

One juicer posts the problem does not exist and the next juicer posts a union (collective bargaining instead of one item at a time direct relationship) isn't needed to fix the problem. Bottom line is Jetblue pilots have by a country mile the worst vacation system in the peer group and the juicers argue both sides of the issue. They are part of the reason why we can't get anywhere near peer standard anything.

 

[B6Busdriver]

You don't "need" a CBA to solve this and there's no proof a CBA will solve it.

Okay juicer, use your open door policy and ask them to fix it for us. Get back with us on the result.

The so called fix proposed by the PVC only fixes part of the issue. More slots need to be allocated and variance restrictions imposed. Will the company ever fix it Hairy?

 

[BentOver]

Could you tell me which major airline you can get hired at today and upgrade in less than 10 years?

Hawaiian's most junior Captain is an '08 hire...... Through just attrition anyone on the list now should be at the 50-55% point within 10 years.... With a little more growth over the next few years upgrades COULD be at 6-8 years... Or ******************** could hit the fan and it'll be 20

Either way, many many go straight into a widebody doing heavy international... Not a bad deal IMO


:beer:

 

[Splert]

You wrote:

To me that sounded like you said San Fran. What else is sf? I took it as "not San Fran at the bottom of the list commuting to reserve."

"at" As in at the bottom of the list commuting to reserve and was a response to a claim that QOL is better here than as a senior RJ CA.

That claim was silly most likely a new hire will be on the 190 in JFK or BOS and committing to reserve.

Then the poster responded that if the time is right they would only be on reserve for a month and then have 18 days off.

Which of course is silly since the bottom line holder have 12, 13, and 14 days off with 74ish credit.

I fumbled the key stroke but you transposed an answer to one post into a completely different post.

Good luck. Hope it all turns out well for anyone. Watch out for the juicers who like to point to anyone pointing out the real shortfalls as bitter and never happy.

 

[NoPFactor]

"at" As in at the bottom of the list commuting to reserve and was a response to a claim that QOL is better here than as a senior RJ CA.

That claim was silly most likely a new hire will be on the 190 in JFK or BOS and committing to reserve.

Then the poster responded that if the time is right they would only be on reserve for a month and then have 18 days off.

Which of course is silly since the bottom line holder have 12, 13, and 14 days off with 74ish credit.

I fumbled the key stroke but you transposed an answer to one post into a completely different post.

Good luck. Hope it all turns out well for anyone. Watch out for the juicers who like to point to anyone pointing out the real shortfalls as bitter and never happy.[/QU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyfgt9Sh5C4

Quite the contrary, I think your probably the happiest person on the face of the earth. They even wrote a song about you.

 

[Splert]

Another juicer agrees. JetBlue pilots have the worst vacation system in the peer group. No wonder it will never be fixed under the direct relationship.

First juicer says issue does not exist
Next juicer say it will not be fixed via collective bargaining
Next juicer posts a song that only she knew about.

 

[n757st]

Another juicer agrees. JetBlue pilots have the worst vacation system in the peer group. No wonder it will never be fixed under the direct relationship.

First juicer says issue does not exist
Next juicer say it will not be fixed via collective bargaining
Next juicer posts a song that only she knew about.

I don't think we have the worst system, the 35 for 25 rule has worked well for me, but we do have the worst vacation bidding in the industry. The fact that we don't have rounds of vacation bidding is unacceptable.

What we really should have is a seperation of PTO and sick time, or a boatload more PTO then we currently get.

 

[Andy]

Life at JBLU doesn't sound much different than at CAL. Hopefully once the new contract is fully phased in, things will improve a bit.

 

[viper01]

You don't "need" a CBA to solve this and there's no proof a CBA will solve it.

Well there's proof that the DR won't either

 

[pilotpayne]

I don't think we have the worst system, the 35 for 25 rule has worked well for me, but we do have the worst vacation bidding in the industry. The fact that we don't have rounds of vacation bidding is unacceptable.

What we really should have is a seperation of PTO and sick time, or a boatload more PTO then we currently get.

Yuuuuup

 

[banger]

Life at JBLU doesn't sound much different than at CAL. Hopefully once the new contract is fully phased in, things will improve a bit.

Life might but there is quite a pay difference. I just look on the other pilot site and at my year and seat CAL pays $186 and JB pays $163.

 

[Smarta$$]

Life might but there is quite a pay difference. I just look on the other pilot site and at my year and seat CAL pays $186 and JB pays $163.

How about the last several years before a few weeks ago?

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I realize there is no decision to make until they offer a job, but I just can't see whether it is worthwhile to invest the time, money, and energy into even interviewing. I freely admit that I have golden handcuffs. Since any of their domiciles are a two leg commute, we would quickly plan to move. Until such time that I could move to a domicile our family costs would increase due to the need for a crashpad and transportation -- all while income is decreased for at least the next 5 years.

What makes it difficult for me is that I really "WANT" to interview. The airline sounds terrific, the ability to bid schedules, the ability to trip trade, fly more, fly less.... Whatever you need. (I'm essentially on-call with a schedule now). But I am having a difficult time justifying the big paycut and decrease in QOL. It's kind of like the kid in me wants to jump on it and start a new adventure. The grown up in me says it is the wrong choice. It seems like the very definition of golden handcuffs...

On the one hand, I don't want to be 50, 55, 60 years old here and have them pull the rug out from under me...
On the other, I wouldn't want to be in a crashpad in Queens wondering what I was thinking and working with Captains who tell me I am nuts to have given up what I have.

No decisions to make until you have a job offer in hand... But what do you do when the decision to accept an interview is one you really can't reconcile?