B6 Hiring

[CapnVegetto]

Ignore Splert. He hates his life and the only solace he has is grasping a slim hope that everybody else is as miserable as he is. Every post he puts up validates that.

 

[Splert]

Ignore Splert. He hates his life and the only solace he has is grasping a slim hope that everybody else is as miserable as he is. Every post he puts up validates that.

More calculas!

Did a pilot on reserve just operate to 15:30 on the back side of the clock?

It wasn't you so it did not happen ever, ever, ever, ever. But it did. Standby for the morph. From "Total BS" to "it doesn't happen all the time".

 

[CapnVegetto]

See what I mean? He's like a kindergartner. He finds one incident on one day and wants to act like it happens all the time.

Sure it happens. It happens everywhere sometimes. But he'd have you believe it happens every day.

Sigh...

 

[Splert]

I've NEVER worked a 16 hour day. This is complete BS.

To "it happens everywhere". No junior it doesn't.

 

[Splert]

As I have said time and time again.

If you are a senior RJ CA with decent QOL and pay then beware. Run the numbers and see how long it will take to make up the loss of income and QOL while you use this place as a stepping stone. Jumping around will set you back at least 4 years in total income.

Dropping from 8th -12th year pay to 1st year and then 2nd and then maybe 3rd year to then leave (and losing most of the employer contributions to your 401k) to jump over to legacy and start all over is costly.

Do the math.

Why do you think we have a Cape Air flow though?

Good luck and I hope everyone does well in whatever choice they end up making.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

What you're forgetting is that the regionals are less stable. What if something happens and the majors don't hire like they say they will? Then you're stuck at the regional even longer, and ANY regional could be Comair or Pinnacle. No one is immune.

JetBlue is a good job by almost any measure. Is it top of the industry? No, but it's good. Some may choose to pass it up, but it's certainly not a "no brainer" to wait for the legacies to hire. What if you wait for Delta, and eff up the interview? Plenty have messed it up. Then what? All of a sudden you're a lifer at a place that could be wiped out at the whim of that same legacy.

No thanks.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

To all the new hires, I say "welcome!" I also ask that each of you put your emotions aside and think logically about your future. Compared to our peers, B6 is behind in just about every category. The only way we can make this a "destination airline" is by voting in proper representation. This is the only reason our peers are so far ahead of us. Pilots here have the same medical benefits as ramp agents, gate agents, flight attendants, etc. This is due to the fact that unless a labor group has union representation, it is illegal to favor one group over another in areas of retirement and medical benefits. It is discrimination. There is no "workaround."

To everyone on the property, I ask that you please view the newly released PVC compensation video. Over the next few years, we will fall 9 to 21% behind in compensation unless there are major changes. This does not even include the retirement and medical shortfalls. We as pilots can make a difference and take charge of our own careers through proper representation.

When the time comes, please vote using logic. B6 will be using their favorite third party (MWW) to target your emotion. Yes, they use many third parties to hold you accountable, but they don't want you using a third party to hold them accountable. Gotta love the hypocrisy!

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
- George Santayana

 

[Splert]

What you're forgetting is that the regionals are less stable. What if something happens and the majors don't hire like they say they will? Then you're stuck at the regional even longer, and ANY regional could be Comair or Pinnacle. No one is immune.

JetBlue is a good job by almost any measure. Is it top of the industry? No, but it's good. Some may choose to pass it up, but it's certainly not a "no brainer" to wait for the legacies to hire. What if you wait for Delta, and eff up the interview? Plenty have messed it up. Then what? All of a sudden you're a lifer at a place that could be wiped out at the whim of that same legacy.

No thanks.

I hear ya!

This place is not rock solid place either and will be merged or acquired sooner or later. I would hate to be on the E190 if SWA or AA comes a-knocking, again especially with you PEA vs a CBA. Good luck in training and see you on the line (after your red eye turn to the islands).

 

[CapnVegetto]

To "it happens everywhere". No junior it doesn't.

I am more amazed every day at how full of $hit you are.

Ignore this guy, all. He knows nothing

 

[banger]

LOTS of BS here.

I've been on and off reserve for 1.5 years. I've NEVER worked a 16 hour day. This is complete BS.

16 hour day starting at 2000? That'll be illegal as hell in a few months. I've never even come CLOSE to that. Even half that. BS.

Here is the reality: Jetblue is going to be better than ANY regional.....period. By 3rd year FO pay you'll be making more than damn near any regional captain just by flying a regular about 80-85 hour schedule.

If you live in base, reserve is great. Like I said, reserve here on and off for more than a year. Most I've EVER flown in a month on reserve is 51 hours, which was this December. In the slow months, like February coming up, you'll have to beg for flying on the 320. I don't know about the 190, but on the 190, you'll only be on reserve 3 or 4 months anyway, if that, as long as they are hiring. Learn how to work the system, and commuting to reserve in the slow months is better than holding a line.

3rd year pay, after the new raise we just got (a meager 2%) is about $85 bucks an hour on the 320. (even if you are hired into the 190, you can move to the 320 by then if you want). 190 pay is about 10% less. If you fly a normal schedule on the airbus (about 80 hours), you'll make a little over 80 grand. That is assuming no per diem, no holiday pay, no JA pay, NEVER picking up a trip, NEVER getting any premium pay, and never crediting one second over 80 in a month. Guys will scream about the bid divisors being low, and they're not lying. But if you can't fix your schedule via Flica, you are stupid or lazy. I am VERY close to the dead bottom of lineholders (when I hold one), and I fix my line every month. This month, the sked they gave me was 72 hours, 16 days off, and 2 redeyes. When I finished screwing with it in Flica, I had 17 days off, 80 hours, and NO redeyes. It's NOT hard if you have half a brain.

This is NOT a bad place to work. There are a thousand guys on here that will talk to you like this place is a vietnamese sweat shop. They are full of $hit. We are definitely no Delta, Uniter, FedEx, etc. But it's NOT BAD. The only thing you can do is do your own research and come in with eyes wide open. The bad: Health insurance SUCKS, retirement is bad, and we have no work rules other than the FAR's. There are other little things, but those are the three big ones. In new hire training they will feed you a bunch of BS about culture. It doesn't take long to realize that it is complete bull$hit. Don't believe the hype. We have problems that need to be fixed. We need a union, bad. But don't listen to morons that tell you to stay at a regional. This place is WAY better than a regional. Even if you get stuck as an FO for the next 30 years, you are still going to be far better off than you will be at any regional. And you and I both know that's not going to happen unless you are an incompetent pilot that can't pass upgrade.

Any Major is better, but Jetblue beats any regional hands down.

I just completed my 10th year at JB. I cannot hold a vacation week in any summer month, spring break, or Holiday. I never can drop/add/swap a FLICA trip during the windows. I cannot afford the medical plan here. My retirement from JB is awful. My scheduling is done from a 2007 guide instead of the 2010 one we apparently agreed upon. One of my fellow CA was apparently fired for breaking a laptop. .......... Yes I make pretty good coin but unless you have a military retirement and a wife with a job with good health care, think twice about joining us. And if you ever think you can upgrade here with a butt load of 35-45yr old Captains then your dreamin.

 

[Splert]

I am more amazed every day at how full of $hit you are.

Ignore this guy, all. He knows nothing

Are you saying that no airline's actual duty time is more retractive than the current FARs?

 

[MikeSF340]

Been here a little over a year. I'm reserve on the 320 based in JFK. I have done 2 island red eyes and work about 6 days a month on average. I drive to work so I can sit reserve at home. Coming here was a no brainer. Don't let the liars persuade you. Do your research, talk to the family, weigh your options, and make a decision. This place can use some major improvements, but it's nowhere near as bad as a few people on this site make it out to be. Anyone is welcome to PM me.

 

[clickclickboom]

So i see a trend here.

Experienced long term jetblue pilots that know how the place operates talk about how far behind we are, how facts will show you we will end a career almost a couple million behind, how our healthcare is absolutely horrible, retirement 3-5% behind, culture dead etc

and then you have former regional pilots newhires here telling you how great jetblue is and you will make 80k and fly a shiny jet and life is perfect. In the meantime they engage every single long term blue pilot and call the angry, disgruntled, never happy etc..


so who do you believe?


The bottom line is this if you have a family and come to jetblue and suffer a medical issue that removes you from the cockpit you will end up bankrupt and homeless unless you have rich parents, a six figure earning wife, or a trust fiund..

 

[Flyer1015]

Just looked at Jan 2013 and I see a bunch of 12, 13, 14, 15 days off with 74ish levels of credit for those just off reserve.

Are you talking VX or B6? Since you said SFO, I assumed you were talking about VX. Look again for lineholders. At SFO, the bottom-most junior lineholder got 18 days off.

 

[MikeSF340]

I see a trend here too, the same 5 guys on here telling everyone how bad jetBlue sucks. I also see another trend in the cockpit. Almost every captain I fly with making close to 200K. Like I said, the place needs improvement, but its not ALL bad.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

So you have been here a year. Were you ALPA prior? Are you a believer in the DR or would you rather have the insurance, legal and medical backup of ALPA? Also, ask those "200K" Captains how many hours they do monthly or did last year. Ask how many days off they did and did they have any family medical issues.
7th year 320 and the guys I fly with don't do near 200K unless it is living on flica, speed dial at CS, or have just 10 days off a month.

 

[MikeSF340]

Yes, I was alpa before and I would vote FOR a union here given the chance. Like I said there is a lot of room for improvement. Our retirement and insurance is below our peers and should be fixed (probably thought negotiations ie. a CBA). If you are a captain making 163 an hour and average 92 hours CREDIT that puts you right around $190,000. Most guys I fly with do about that much credit and are not flica wh$&@s. Of course it helps if you live in base, but that is the same everywhere. JetBlue is not perfect, but the way some guys describe it is ridiculous.

 

[Splert]

Are you talking VX or B6? Since you said SFO, I assumed you were talking about VX. Look again for lineholders. At SFO, the bottom-most junior lineholder got 18 days off.

You said SFO. I didn't.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Agree, some guys are a little over the top, however alot of the posts here are from those guys who have been here for 10 years plus and have seen and heard far more than they have posted here. The facts and figures that are out there should be looked at before coming here completley blind.

 

[MikeSF340]

Agree, some guys are a little over the top, however alot of the posts here are from those guys who have been here for 10 years plus and have seen and heard far more than they have posted here. The facts and figures that are out there should be looked at before coming here completley blind.

Agreed