AWAC Pilots Get Hosed - Thanks ALPA

[Skyguy]

Therefore, after having considered the evidence and arguments of the parties, the System Board decides that there shall be no return to the 2001 pilot agreement. The parties shall have 45 days within which to resolve the monetary damages issue, and in the absence of resolution of such issue within a 45 day period commencing from the date of this decision, the System Board shall resolve such issue.

Lawrence T. Holden, Jr.

Impartial Chairman (Ha,ha,ha,ha)​

 

[BoilerUP]

Ain't ALPA's fault...

 

[Mongolikecandy]

Therefore, after having considered the evidence and arguments of the parties, the System Board decides that there shall be no return to the 2001 pilot agreement. The parties shall have 45 days within which to resolve the monetary damages issue, and in the absence of resolution of such issue within a 45 day period commencing from the date of this decision, the System Board shall resolve such issue.

Lawrence T. Holden, Jr.

Impartial Chairman (Ha,ha,ha,ha)​

If you really thought we were going to snap back to 2001, you were dreaming. It would have been great but it was so unlikely, no one should have been surprised.

The fact that this spineless jerkwad is too pu$$y to hand down a monetary settlement is where we are really going to get screwed.

 

[ualdriver]

Therefore, after having considered the evidence and arguments of the parties, the System Board decides that there shall be no return to the 2001 pilot agreement. The parties shall have 45 days within which to resolve the monetary damages issue, and in the absence of resolution of such issue within a 45 day period commencing from the date of this decision, the System Board shall resolve such issue.

Lawrence T. Holden, Jr.​

Impartial Chairman (Ha,ha,ha,ha)​

What are the details? The last I heard, the AWAC guys won a legal grievance against the company and were award monetary compensation due to the paycut they had to take in order to secure UAL flying- flying that never came. What is all this about? And did you guys get your money yet?

 

[AWACoff]

The arbitrator has been paid off. His J.O.B. is to MAKE A DECISION!!! This moron would have crashed long ago if he was a pilot. Now we get to wait another 45 days for the company to say "screw off, we ain't paying you nuthin' " while the union says "we want to be made 100% whole". Then you have 90 days to file legal briefs and another 6 months for this complete doooouchebag of an arbitrator to make his decision. The pilot group has lost no matter what because even if we were made whole, we still lost the use of that money. It doesn't take any money skills whatsoever to invest money and get a return higher than statutory interest. Somebody has been paid off here. Obviously it's not the pilots.

 

[dojetdriver]

Was that guy Judge Wedhoff is disguise?

 

[rightrudder]

What are the details? The last I heard, the AWAC guys won a legal grievance against the company and were award monetary compensation due to the paycut they had to take in order to secure UAL flying- flying that never came. What is all this about? And did you guys get your money yet?

No, we have not received any money. We won the grievance, problem is the arbitrator did not want issue an award. He wanted the union and company to try to mutually negotiate a settlement and a timetable for that was set. There was no success at a settlement, so hearings were conducted by arbitrator to reach a decision on award.

Here we are, 11 months after we won the grievance, and not one bit closer to being compensated.

Today, his decision was announced: He decided that we should not get our pre-concessionary contract back, and AGAIN asked us to work with management to work out a settlement.

This has become a freaking joke. He was paid by us to make a decision, and he passed the buck AGAIN!

 

[J and E's Daddy]

When it comes to arbitrators and their decisions, it's very political. Mr Holden didn't have the balls to render any decision on awards. He wants the pilot group and the company to work it out. If he made a decision either way, he runs the risk of his services no longer being desired by one side or the other. I believe arbitrators are chosen by mutual agreement on both sides. If he gets a reputation of favoring one or the other, or making poor decisions, then he knows he won't be used. But what does Mr. Holden care? He got his $20,000 and all expenses paid. Now he can go to another case. These arbitrators hear cases not just from airlines but from all other labor disputes. I don't think he'll go broke.

 

[ualdriver]

No, we have not received any money. We won the grievance, problem is the arbitrator did not want issue an award. He wanted the union and company to try to mutually negotiate a settlement and a timetable for that was set. There was no success at a settlement, so hearings were conducted by arbitrator to reach a decision on award.

Here we are, 11 months after we won the grievance, and not one bit closer to being compensated.

Today, his decision was announced: He decided that we should not get our pre-concessionary contract back, and AGAIN asked us to work with management to work out a settlement.

This has become a freaking joke. He was paid by us to make a decision, and he passed the buck AGAIN!

I don't get it. I thought an arbitrator already ruled in your favor quite a while back concerning the paycuts you guys took in order to get the UAL flying, which of course never materialized. Now the arbitrator is saying that you have to reach an agreement on how you're supposed to be paid for an abitration reward you already won? What are you supposed to agree upon? Whether you get paid in 100's or 10's? UFB.

 

[atrdriver]

And again, how is this ALPAs fault? The arbitrator made the decision, all ALPA, or the company for that matter can do, is offer arguments. It looks to me as if ALPA did a pretty good job with that, as you WON the arbitration.