Awa/usairs Arbitration In !

[Groucho]

This award will not come to pass soon. The East side will simply not sign a new contract. This could go on for years.

 

[Carl S.]

Enjoy LOA 93 till 12/09++++, I'll take our shrinking fleet and"sub-par" contract!

 

[MickeySlapnutz]

I believe that perhaps you missed the fact that the new USAirways Seniority List was determined by a neutral third party arbitrator, as opposed to the turd of an "agreement" crafted by "Superior AA guys" and crammed down our throats without any input. We TWA'ers could only have dreamed of a NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY AGREEMENT back then.

This time the list was handled per ALPA policy in a fair way, and now we have to move on. Next stop - ONE CONTRACT - NO CONCESSIONS!!

Oh come on. Its the results that you cats whine about.
Time for some consistancy from my TWA pals. Get to it fellas.

 

[AutoBus]

This award will not come to pass soon. The East side will simply not sign a new contract. This could go on for years.

doubt that will happen, as usual the more senior east guys will quickly sell out the more junior guys for some candy or protection for themselves.

'All of this has happened before and will happen again'

 

[Turtle21]

"Just get used to it, you are gonna hear bitching until the last USAir pilot retires. The only way to end the conversation in the cockpit is to agree with them about how bad they got screwed and to be embarrassed about how big your windfall was"

Nah, won't be doing that. nobody got a windfall................unless still having a job is a windfall.

As far as embarrassment, the east guys should have been Embarrassed to demand DOH. We told them that and now the 3 guys that count most just told them that as well. I think its the east who should be Embarrassed.

Sparky, you just proved the point. :smash:

The mentality of Eastern Mechanics is now entrenched among USAir pilots. Bitchin and slow operations in the cockpit for the next 15-20 years. Most HP pilots don’t even know what happened to Eastern Airlines; don’t worry, many of your greybeard co-pilots started their career there. You will have plenty of cockpit conversations to relive some history. Ha! Beer is on the Captain.:beer:

Not only is it the worst paid airline, it is now certain to have a lock on the hero list of “Most miserable companies to work for in America”

 

[trainer8]

Collelo was furloughed on the merger announcement date, which is what the arbitrator used when he "drew the line".

Odell was an active pilot on that day.

Spin it however you like, though.

Enter the no spin zone....actually, DC was an active US Airways Pilot. He was flying for the Embraer Division of US Airways, Inc., otherwise known as Mid-Atlantic Airlines (MDA), which is/was US Airways. If that were not true, the bottom 100 pilots---former MDA pilots---wouldn't be on the list. Call it what you want. Say he wasn't active if you want. The real point is Nicolau did not consider him active, even after another Arbitor in another arbitration (MDA Asset Sale) received testimony of the fact that MDA was US Airways.

More fodder for the MDA suit. DC...and others in his position will be made whole...eventually.

T8

 

[AAflyer]

Sparky, you just proved the point. :smash:

The mentality of Eastern Mechanics is now entrenched among USAir pilots. Bitchin and slow operations in the cockpit for the next 15-20 years. Most HP pilots don’t even know what happened to Eastern Airlines; don’t worry, many of your greybeard co-pilots started their career there. You will have plenty of cockpit conversations to relive some history. Ha! Beer is on the Captain.:beer:

Not only is it the worst paid airline, it is now certain to have a lock on the hero list of “Most miserable companies to work for in America”

That is not a good excuse. I was very young at that time as well. However Eastern is a case study in labor/managment relations. It is a must read regardless of age.

AAflyer

 

[OPECJet]

That is not a good excuse. I was very young at that time as well. However Eastern is a case study in labor/managment relations. It is a must read regardless of age.

AAflyer

So is Airways. Maybe a different outcome, but only if things change.

 

[Groucho]

Why will LOA93 stay the rule of the East for some time to come. Because the East pilots want to gain from what ever attrition they get, even with age 65, and because this list will be the starting point for the next merger. No single contract or combined working list no easy merge with anyone one else.

When you are a 50+ yr/old East pilot who is junior than the quickest way to make money is to upgrade and we still have a lot of attrition going on. There will be no new contract soon.

 

[JetMonkey]

Enter the no spin zone....actually, DC was an active US Airways Pilot. He was flying for the Embraer Division of US Airways, Inc., otherwise known as Mid-Atlantic Airlines (MDA), which is/was US Airways. If that were not true, the bottom 100 pilots---former MDA pilots---wouldn't be on the list. Call it what you want. Say he wasn't active if you want. The real point is Nicolau did not consider him active, even after another Arbitor in another arbitration (MDA Asset Sale) received testimony of the fact that MDA was US Airways.

More fodder for the MDA suit. DC...and others in his position will be made whole...eventually.

T8

He may have been on the E170 side of USAir but according to the 5/05 seniority list, he was listed as "furloughed" and that's what Nicolau used. If the list was wrong or fictious, why didn't you guys fight that instead?