Awa/usairs Arbitration In !

[Crzipilot]

Well congrats to the West guys, you were right, we got FUc*ed

 

[FLYLOW22]

I am just happy it's over. This makes my decision (if ever there was one) much easier.

 

[LearLove]

odell got put ahead of colello - thats f'in bullsh1t. east got the shaft big time.

tell me how the fvck does someone that got hired in 2005 get put ahead of someone with an 1986 DOH?

 

[A350]

IMO, this is a windfall for the West guys...so much for arbitrations.

I was fence sitting on going back to Airways....but based on age 65 and this reach around....you won't see me returning.

Best of luck to my East buds. You got screwed and you deserved much better consideration.

Tailwinds...

A350

 

[MickeySlapnutz]

Let me be the first to ask that all former TWA guys now at HP scream bloody murder and demand this injustice be overturned by the courts or Kit Bond. Second, I request all former TWA guys start spinning wild conspiracy theories about fake BK's, back room deals with ALPA and bought off judges. Third, I demand all former TWA guys start talking about how the old USAir was a great model of airline operations that was just days away from making butt loads of cash and HP ruined a well oiled machine out of arrogance and jealousy.

 

[AutoBus]

IMO, this is a windfall for the West guys...so much for arbitrations.

I was fence sitting on going back to Airways....but based on age 65 and this reach around....you won't see me returning.

Best of luck to my East buds. You got screwed and you deserved much better consideration.

Tailwinds...

A350

Windfall? as a Westie my relative seniority position has declined as a result of the award, I am further from upgrade today than I was two years ago, mainly as a result of protecting the wide body flying for the easties. Am I happy about that, NO. But overall I think the award is more or less fair.

 

[Turtle21]

I bet it goes down in flames.

A law suit or the airline's operation?

 

[Doug Parker]

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Everyone is Pi$$ed - so it must have been good !!!





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[Turtle21]

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Everyone is Pi$$ed - so it must have been good !!!





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No. Only one West pilot that can't do math thinks his seniority percentage dropped. (unless he was in the top 200 pilots at AW he didn't drop)

 

[LearLove]

IMO, this is a windfall for the West guys...so much for arbitrations.

I was fence sitting on going back to Airways....but based on age 65 and this reach around....you won't see me returning.

Best of luck to my East buds. You got screwed and you deserved much better consideration.

Tailwinds...

A350

yeah not only was it a windfall for west it was a windfall for Jetblue and other carriers that hired many u furloughs - no carrier has to worry about a mass exodus of former U guys taking recall now.

 

[Carl S.]

Rule number one was not violated, it is what you bring to the table, jobs!!!

 

[Prog 2/2]

Let me be the first to ask that all former TWA guys now at HP scream bloody murder and demand this injustice be overturned by the courts or Kit Bond. Second, I request all former TWA guys start spinning wild conspiracy theories about fake BK's, back room deals with ALPA and bought off judges. Third, I demand all former TWA guys start talking about how the old USAir was a great model of airline operations that was just days away from making butt loads of cash and HP ruined a well oiled machine out of arrogance and jealousy.

Can you guess how many fingers I'm holding up ?

 

[FR8mastr]

C... was a working pilot on the date of the merger. 16+ years and working on the U certificate, flying a U plane is now junior to someone who was not even out of groundschool on that date.

No this was not a windfall for the West

 

[AutoBus]

C... was a working pilot on the date of the merger. 16+ years and working on the U certificate, flying a U plane is now junior to someone who was not even out of groundschool on that date.

No this was not a windfall for the West

Dude, it's what you bring to the table. You simply want (for yourself) what we (AWA) came to the table with (our seats), do you consider that fair?

Let me guess, 7 billion blah blah blah in consessions to get the airline was just before the merger, that is no money, no plan, no ideas.

 

[PositiveRate]

I believe it was correct to use the original merger date as a basis for the furloughee vs. active pilots issue. A lot of the emotion is resultant from all that's happened since (generally positive for East and stagnant for West). The reality for each carrier was greatly different 2 years ago. Mondo and Odell were active, Colello was furloughed..this is the exact order they are in on the new list. This is the right call...the list isn't a moving target...it was what it was on that day by no fault of either group.

Lear Love, I believe you are absolutely wrong on your assertion that Colello's 16 yr's service entitles him to a position above Odell. On the merger announcement date, Odell had a job. We are entitled to our opinions, though.

 

[FR8mastr]

You guys keep missing the Point, "C" was in fact WORKING for US Airways at the time of the merger. I dont know how to make that any more clear.

 

[PositiveRate]

Collelo was furloughed on the merger announcement date, which is what the arbitrator used when he "drew the line".

Odell was an active pilot on that day.

Spin it however you like, though.

 

[Doug Parker]

Rule number one was not violated, it is what you bring to the table, jobs!!!

And a whole lotta baggage !!!!!!



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[Hpilot]

Is everyone pissed? If so, they've done it best. One guy smiling, not right!

I'm still pissed about the merger in the first place(extra 5 yrs on reserve). Does that count?

 

[JetMonkey]

To me one sentence in the board's letter says it best. In determining where to place Odell and Monda, Nicolau states very clearly that when the merger was announced Odell and Monda were both at the bottom of their list. Now TWO YEARS LATER, Colello who was furloughed, is now a B757 fo with 300 active pilots beneath him, while Odell is still at the bottom of his list.

Colello will get top of scale pay for his posistion, but now that I've have had the gut wrenching experience of having gone through one of these, I have to agree with Carl, it's definately what you bring to the merger, plus career expectations.