Average DAL line value

[nwaredtail]

What are the average line values (range) for some of DAL's fleets.

Doing the math, the raises NWA pilots will get vs increased medical,low line values will result in less overall in the paycheck for many.

 

[regionalcap]

It is 82 hours next month for the ATL 767.

 

[Noserider76]

What are the average line values (range) for some of DAL's fleets.

Doing the math, the raises NWA pilots will get vs increased medical,low line values will result in less overall in the paycheck for many.

Non-starter. The average NW pilot flew less than 1 hour more/month than the average DL pilot last year.

 

[jetjockey#1]

July ER: 87hrs, 3 day to FCO, 6 day to CDG, and 6 day to BRU, 16 days off, and more open time that you can think of. If you are really motivated and pick up a green slip, time and half, or inverse assignment, double pay, you can easily get 110-120 hours for the month, and still have 12-13 days at home. And my line in comparison is not very good. Oh yes, I am in my second year, I "only" make 80$ an hour with override, and this is not even "premium pay" right? 76 is not consider a "widebody" by you guys. I would love to hear a comparison from the NWA side of things, you make it sound like it's a lot better over your side. Looking forward to hear from you.

 

[nwaredtail]

[QUOTE Oh yes, I am in my second year, I "only" make 80$ an hour with override, and this is not even "premium pay" right? 76 is not consider a "widebody" by you guys. I would love to hear a comparison from the NWA side of things, you make it sound like it's a lot better over your side. Looking forward to hear from you.

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Easy Killer, sorry someone pissed in your Cheerios this morning. Just trying to figure out why the low monthly guarantee at the "new" airline.

 

[DTW320]

Easy Killer, sorry someone pissed in your Cheerios this morning. Just trying to figure out why the low monthly guarantee at the "new" airline.

Hey, look at the bright side....their reserve guarantee is only 70 hours....but at least you won't know from month to month whether you'll be on reserve or not. Yeah, those NWA work rules are so vastly inferior.....

 

[jetjockey#1]

Easy Killer, sorry someone pissed in your Cheerios this morning. Just trying to figure out why the low monthly guarantee at the "new" airline.[/quote]

I am sorry if I came on too strong, but I thought we had a really good thing going here at DAL, and your original post made it sound like you have such a better deals, you made it sound like you will be taking a paycut after a 10% raise. I would love to hear how a 2nd year F/O holding a line international only is doing. After all, we are soon going to be one big happy family, and some of your contract will filter into the new one.

 

[DTW320]

After all, we are soon going to be one big happy family, and some of your contract will filter into the new one.

We can only hope. Still waiting for all the details.

 

[nwaredtail]

I am sorry if I came on too strong, but I thought we had a really good thing going here at DAL, and your original post made it sound like you have such a better deals, you made it sound like you will be taking a paycut after a 10% raise.

No problem, there are things in your contract that are better and worse (ie, medical premiums, yikes) Just waiting for the fine print.

 

[General Lee]

No problem, there are things in your contract that are better and worse (ie, medical premiums, yikes) Just waiting for the fine print.

Some of your 20% pay raise will help pay for that.....and think of all of the 744 upgrades your senior guys will get when they transition to our long haul rules (2 Capt 2 FOs per long haul over 12 hour flight), and the lack of 5 day DC9 trips....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

Some of your 20% pay raise will help pay for that.....and think of all of the 744 upgrades your senior guys will get when they transition to our long haul rules (2 Capt 2 FOs per long haul over 12 hour flight), and the lack of 5 day DC9 trips....


Bye Bye--General Lee

You're funny. 20% huh? Wow. 9 to 10% + 5% on 1/1/09 = 20%. Cool math. 744 upgrades? Yeah, maybe we can get some of those back from when we had the same 2 crew rule before BK. That's good. 5 Day DC9 trips? You deltoids just love to drive to the airport don't ya? You must since you have to do it at least 1 extra time/month. Not to mention the commuters who get their month done with 3 commutes thanks to 5 day commutable trips. Unless your 3 and 4 day domestics are worth 27+ hours it's going to suck for our commuters.

 

[tblosser]

What are the average line values (range) for some of DAL's fleets.

Doing the math, the raises NWA pilots will get vs increased medical,low line values will result in less overall in the paycheck for many.

July 2008

777 CA 76 FO 81
767-400 CA 77 FO 80
76ER CA 82 FO 82
76/75 CA 82 FO 82
737-800 CA 74 FO 77
M88 CA 81 FO 82

 

[tblosser]

You're funny. 20% huh? Wow. 9 to 10% + 5% on 1/1/09 = 20%. Cool math. 744 upgrades? Yeah, maybe we can get some of those back from when we had the same 2 crew rule before BK. That's good. 5 Day DC9 trips? You deltoids just love to drive to the airport don't ya? You must since you have to do it at least 1 extra time/month. Not to mention the commuters who get their month done with 3 commutes thanks to 5 day commutable trips. Unless your 3 and 4 day domestics are worth 27+ hours it's going to suck for our commuters.

Don't forget to factor in the increase in years of service for your guys who were furloughed. We get credit for time we were on the street towards years of service.

 

[DTW320]

Don't forget to factor in the increase in years of service for your guys who were furloughed. We get credit for time we were on the street towards years of service.

No doubt. That is a great benefit and if it made it into the TA, as I've heard it did, then it corrects a huge negative that our junior guys have endured.

 

[General Lee]

You're funny. 20% huh? Wow. 9 to 10% + 5% on 1/1/09 = 20%. Cool math. 744 upgrades? Yeah, maybe we can get some of those back from when we had the same 2 crew rule before BK. That's good. 5 Day DC9 trips? You deltoids just love to drive to the airport don't ya? You must since you have to do it at least 1 extra time/month. Not to mention the commuters who get their month done with 3 commutes thanks to 5 day commutable trips. Unless your 3 and 4 day domestics are worth 27+ hours it's going to suck for our commuters.

Wow, sounds terrible for you. A raise, equity, and the chance to commute closer to your home eventually. I'd say you should stay unhappy and just move to MSP and bid the -9..... With your raise you can buy a Ford Festiva and drive it more often to the airport----get a red one too. Boo hoo.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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See Mike's answer below... his is better.

 

[DTW320]

Wow, sounds terrible for you. A raise, equity, and the chance to commute closer to your home eventually. I'd say you should stay unhappy and just move to MSP and bid the -9..... With your raise you can buy a Ford Festiva and drive it more often to the airport----get a red one too. Boo hoo.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Wow. You're funny AND clueless! Congrats!

Who said I was unhappy? All I said is that YOU apparently flunked math. 20%? Show me.

 

[General Lee]

Wow. You're funny AND clueless! Congrats!

Who said I was unhappy? All I said is that YOU apparently flunked math. 20%? Show me.

I work at the Laugh Barn on Thursday nights in Alpharetta, you should come out...


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

I work at the Laugh Barn on Thursday nights in Alpharetta, you should come out...


Bye Bye--General Lee

Umm....yeah. Thought So

 

[michael707767]

Hey, look at the bright side....their reserve guarantee is only 70 hours....but at least you won't know from month to month whether you'll be on reserve or not. Yeah, those NWA work rules are so vastly inferior.....

you can control whether or not you risk being on reserve. If you don't want to sit reserve, don't bid something until you are senior enough that you are sure you won't get any reserve. Your choice.

That said, there are some advantages to being able to bid reserve when needed. I hold a line in my category, but I am not senior enough to get a regular line with Christmas off. So I bid reserve in Dec and got it off. If I can't get a line with everything I need off, reserve can be an option.

I would much rather have our system than the NW system with regards to block holder and reserve being seperate categories.