avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

[FRLWD]

B-19,

What carrier did you work for? I don't recall any majors parking planes prior to 9-11.

The one I was working for was hiring right up to 9-11.

Off the top of my head I can't come up with a single comprehensive carrier that was parking planes back then.

I'm not saying you didn't fly for a carrier, I'm just trying to figure which dirt-bag start-up you worked for.

 

[dime line]

I did that and it helped. The doc told me that I needed to take responsibilty for my own career. I started working for a non-carrier and now I'm all better.

Yea, Me too, and I asked Strong Union to help!!! And Wow 67% of our pilots took responsibilty for their careers as well

 

[B19 Flyer]

B-19,

What carrier did you work for? I don't recall any majors parking planes prior to 9-11.

The one I was working for was hiring right up to 9-11.

Off the top of my head I can't come up with a single comprehensive carrier that was parking planes back then.

I'm not saying you didn't fly for a carrier, I'm just trying to figure which dirt-bag start-up you worked for.

The dirt bag start up was one of the legacy carriers mentioned in the article. Most people don't recall it because the events of 9/11 overshadowed what was already happening. Oh, and I didn't fly for the carrier, let's not make that mistake or give anybody that is reading this thread that impression. I was in management there. I haven't flown in years and years and years. I just think that people have a real short memory when it comes to this union stuff and I don't mind reminding them about it or how I worked around it to protect myself from it. None of the legacy carriers were in trouble until they all signed industy leading contracts within a year of each other.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yea, Me too, and I asked Strong Union to help!!! And Wow 67% of our pilots took responsibilty for their careers as well

So that means that 33% of the pilots didn't vote for the union. This means that one of every three pilots had a union forced on them that they didn't want or vote for. That means that 67% is going to speak for the 33% that wanted no part of it. Do you consider that fair? I don't. Yes, 67% is a majority, but it's far from an overwhelming mandate. If you wanted to work for a union carrier so bad, why didn't you just go to one of the existing ones? Why force something on people that they didn't want? I know, they must be stupid for not wanting a union right?

 

[imacdog]

Majority rules, 19. Treat your pilots like crap and you will get the same results.

 

[pilotpat]

Well...I'd say if the 33% were that pissed off about a union, then they could leave. Just a little taste back at 'ya, since you always tell guys to go to a union carrier if they want a union.

 

[dime line]

So that means that 33% of the pilots didn't vote for the union. This means that one of every three pilots had a union forced on them that they didn't want or vote for. That means that 67% is going to speak for the 33% that wanted no part of it. Do you consider that fair? I don't. Yes, 67% is a majority, but it's far from an overwhelming mandate. If you wanted to work for a union carrier so bad, why didn't you just go to one of the existing ones? Why force something on people that they didn't want? I know, they must be stupid for not wanting a union right?

Before the vote, you and your morons said the same thing....if you don't like it, leave.......so let me say

IF YOU DON'T LIKE UNIONS QUIT, WERE A UNION HOUSE NOW,

so that 33% has a choice

 

[glasspilot]

I'm assuming the 67% number refers to the union being voted in by 67% of the pilot group. The next logical question is what percent even voted?

If only 68% voted and it was voted in by 67% then I'd say that is pretty overwhelming.

If the 67% refers to the union being voted in by 67% of the votes cast and only 17 pilots voted then I'd say that is pretty underwhelming.

 

[FRLWD]

So that means that 33% of the pilots didn't vote for the union. This means that one of every three pilots had a union forced on them that they didn't want or vote for.

Yes, but how many voted for the current contract????? My guess is that it was more than 67%.

 

[FRLWD]

None of the legacy carriers were in trouble until they all signed industy leading contracts within a year of each other.

It's not that simple B19 and you know it. There are a lot of factors that impact and airline's bottom line, and a union contract is only a small part of the equation.

 

[pilotpat]

None of the legacy carriers were in trouble until they all signed industy leading contracts within a year of each other.

This has got to be the biggest load of crap I've seen since the Elephant cage at the zoo. Gimme a friggin' break.

Are you kind of like George Costanza? Its not a lie as long as you believe it.

 

[Guitar Guy]

That means that 67% is going to speak for the 33% that wanted no part of it. Do you consider that fair? I don't.

Actually, that sounds rather like democracy.

 

[B19 Flyer]

This has got to be the biggest load of crap I've seen since the Elephant cage at the zoo. Gimme a friggin' break.

Are you kind of like George Costanza? Its not a lie as long as you believe it.

Yep, just sheer conicidence that the three largest legacy carriers agreed to industry leading contracts and were all having massive losses within months of signing them before 9/11(see previous article). My load of crap doesn't stink. The truth is out there. I WAS working for one of the carriers named below.


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-64784956.html



United Airlines and ALPA Announce Tentative Agreement on New Pilot Contract.

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PR Newswire
Date:
August 27, 2000


CHICAGO, Aug. 26 /PRNewswire/ --
After two days of round-the-clock bargaining, United Airlines (NYSE: UAL) and the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) announced that they have reached tentative agreement on a new contract for the company's pilots. The new contract is subject to endorsement by ALPA's UAL Master Executive Council, and the Labor Committee of the UAL board of directors as well as ratification by United's 10,000 pilots.

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http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-73542471.html

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Delta Air Lines and Delta pilots reach a tentative contract agreement.

From:
M2 Presswire
Date:
April 23, 2001

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M2 PRESSWIRE-23 April 2001-DELTA AIR LINES: Delta Air Lines and Delta pilots reach a tentative contract agreement (C)1994-2001 M2 COMMUNICATIONS LTD
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ATLANTA -- Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL) said today it has reached a tentative contract agreement with its pilot group, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA).
The tentative agreement will now go to the Delta ALPA Master Executive Council for review and, upon its approval, to the Delta pilot workforce for a ratification vote. When ratified, the contract would be amendable on May 1, 2005, ...



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American Airlines reaches tentative agreement with pilots' union.

From:
Airline Industry Information
Date:
July 24, 2000
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AIRLINE INDUSTRY INFORMATION-(C)1997-2000 M2 COMMUNICATIONS LTD
The Allied Pilots Association and American Airlines have apparently reached a tentative labour agreement.
Both groups have indicated that a deal has been reached but have refused to disclose details.
According to industry observers, the deal will extend the union's contract and eliminate the union's USD45.5m debt that arose after a judge ordered American Airlines' pilots back to work during sickout action staged in February 1999 and fined the union for not ordering the pilots back to work. The fine ...

 

[B19 Flyer]

Actually, that sounds rather like democracy.

In government it is a democracy. In private enterprise, it's an unfriendly takeover.

 

[pilotpat]

You would call the color blue, red B19. I don't buy a dam thing that because of the union agreements those carriers suffered massive losses. Bullsh!t