Avantair thriving in this economic downturn...

[jonjuan]

Since JonJuan and I rarely agree on numbers, I do not know who he would buy his Marquis card from but he could get a better deal directly from the company.

On the Marquis side of the business, I believe the XLS is more like $6760 per hour + fuel adjustment.

You can be in the XLS/Excel fleet at NJA for about $4100 hour + fuel adjustment, + depreciation (but if you but a pre-owned share at today's rate depreciation would not add up to much), plus cost of funds of about $400/hr. So that is about $4500/hr + fuel adjustment.

There are many advantages to being in the NJA fleet (like upgrading) which are not possible at Avantair. Also, the Piaggio is competitive for short flights, but not longer ones.

I am sure JonJuan will argue, but what does YOUR monthly statements say JJ???? I am not picking a fight, but JJ is not too accurate when it comes to facts.

I
Fly safe.

Are you for real? I must be missing something from the information on a brochure. I don't THINK I'm dsylexic, but here's what I am staring at:
Citation Excel: $186,900 or $7,476 plus $700 an hour fuel = $8,186. Sorry, I was $24 off. BTW, gunfyter, the marquis X is $249,000 or $10,000/hour plus $900 in fuel. Someone asked, and I simply passed the info along. Sheesh...

 

[RNObased]

I am sure JonJuan will argue, but what does YOUR monthly statements say JJ???? I am not picking a fight, but JJ is not too accurate when it comes to facts.

LOL,

JJ, never let's the facts get in the way of a good arguement.

 

[BoilerUP]

Citation Excel: $186,900 or $7,476 plus $700 an hour fuel = $8,186.

No wonder card programs are so profitable (when cards are being sold)...

 

[netjetwife]

RNO, so I've noticed...

 

[jonjuan]

LOL,

JJ, never let's the facts get in the way of a good arguement.

Nor your hyperbole. Go scurry along and ask any of the marquis sales people and report back to me with your tail between your legs. Tick, tock....

 

[brokeflyer]

Nor your hyperbole. Go scurry along and ask any of the marquis sales people and report back to me with your tail between your legs. Tick, tock....

wow...and people say I'M an a$$hole....lol

 

[Bringupthebird]

How do the props hold up with exhaust beating on them?

 

[glasspilot]

Just fine. In fact, the exhaust is why we don't have to have a system to heat them. They stay nice and toasty warm.

 

[NJAowner]

As far as Marquis card pricing, JonJuan was correct. I was looking at something else and it was the end of a very long day. As far as the NJA pricing, my numbers stand.

Marquis card holders pay a premium for buy in small quantities. Just like buying a steak the day you want it is more expensive per pound than buying a whole side of meat. But there are many diffrent products which suit the needs of different customers. And why there is more than 1 flavor of ice cream.

Depending upon one's needs, Flex has a 275 day card for sale (yes it eliminates about 1/4 of the year), but it is a substantial price savings for those who don't need to fly on the busiest days/seasons.

Fly safe,

JJ-- Blazing Saddles and History of the World, Part I, are 2 of my most favorite movies.

 

[RNObased]

Nor your hyperbole. Go scurry along and ask any of the marquis sales people and report back to me with your tail between your legs. Tick, tock....

JJ,
Here is the issue. I wasn't arguing with you on the price. I'm sure you're close. Again check your facts or read the whole post, before posting. I have my facts in line when I post something that requires them.

Hyperbole; wow that is mighty big word for you to be throwing around isn't it now.

Tick, tock back at ya, what ever that means.

 

[cherry20's]

Just fine. In fact, the exhaust is why we don't have to have a system to heat them. They stay nice and toasty warm.

I was gonna ask one of you guys about that. Got to thinking about it the other day when we were taxing behind a Piaggio... Thanks for answering that one for me. I thought it wouldn't need heated props with the exhaust blowing directly on them.

 

[fob727]

pa announcement

No, it's flight hour...so it's quite reasonable.

Sell a few credit cards with PA announcements. You never know!

 

[Bringupthebird]

I was gonna ask one of you guys about that. Got to thinking about it the other day when we were taxing behind a Piaggio... Thanks for answering that one for me. I thought it wouldn't need heated props with the exhaust blowing directly on them.

True, but they must be made of a material unique to Avanti props, as most are not designed to be blasted with hot corrosive exhaust 100% of the time.

Also, I remember in the early years of the Avanti, they had to be flown back to the factory for a major inspection periodically (almost like the Robinson helicopters which were put back on the assembly line and rebuilt at airframe overhaul time). Are they still doing that?

It's a slick looking airplane. One of the few I'd buy for myself if I could afford one.

 

[glasspilot]

We don't fly them back to Italy for inspections. We schedule them for D checks like any other aircraft. As far as the exhaust on the props. I don't think it's a problem. There is, I believe, a heavy paint on the props for this reason to protect the metal. There are limitations in the POH about static runup time limits for this reason but it mostly applies to Mx guys doing static runups. It isn't a factor on the line.

One nice benefit of heating props with exhaust is that the prop is always warm so ice never forms so ice is never thrown off causing little "bangs" on the fuselage. You'll notice we do not have any reinforcing on the fuselage on the plane line of the props like most other prop planes that are certified for ice.

 

[HazMat]

No special checks just the normal A, B, C and D checks. They occur every 150 hours and it depends on the time on the aircraft which one is performed. As far as I know the material is no different but they are painted with an anti corressive coating.

In terms of anti ice there is no better. its not even a thought when you get into icing conditions. nothing builds on the airplane it is unreal