Avantair called

[whiskytangofoxt]

Joe, lay off

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Joe, lay off

Joe??? Wrong. Try again. And is that an order? Please.....

 

[myrealnameis]

Jesus ...........talk about hijacking a thread.........

 

[indefinitehold]

This stuff never stops, does it guys?

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Jesus ...........talk about hijacking a thread.........

You guys are pathetic- as soon as someone does not agree with you or blows the whistle on your crap- the thread is hijacked.

 

[phishn@daves]

Jesus ...........talk about hijacking a thread.........

No, My first name aint "Jesus"..............it's "Janet", Miss Jackson if you're Nasty.

 

[CAP E TON]

I have to ask what is the beef with avantair? Every company has its flaws. To grow as big as it has in the past 2 years, it must not be that bad ? I have flown for the bottom terrible companys in florida,ie sas, bia... and compared to them avantair is heaven. I have seen this web site get people jobs and other good things, use it for that. you all should try only posting information that you took on first hand, not what your friend said who has only worked for a 121 because from my experience younger 121 aviators dont know a thing about corporate and vise versa.

 

[Jetz]

would you

and when my friends ask me to do something, heck, I'll do it for them. Guess they want everyone to know things aren't quite as kosher as some want to say......

Would you wash and wax their Waco or 182 if they asked you. imp:

 

[B19 Flyer]

I have to ask what is the beef with avantair? quote]


Here's the deal. There are a couple of former employees (one of them a former flight ops manager that quit in disgrace) that are bitter because they felt they didn’t get a fair shake and left the company. They got a fair shake, but chose to believe they were being singled out for no reason. They like to use the board to spread their ill will because nobody else inside the company will give them the right time of day. Most of us in the game know that "pebbles" is either one of them or closely tied to them. Our best guess is that it’s the former manager based on the extreme bitterness. This is evident by the posts, all of the false accusations and "known" information hasn't changed since the time he left in March. They can’t really get new info, because current employees won’t associate with any of them, partly because of their posts on this board but mostly because we enjoy working at Avantair and just get tired of their BS. Avantair is an amazing place to work and yes, there are growing pains. I can tell you though, that this is the place to be right now for to fly in the fractional world. The last six months have seen amazing things happen and it’s only going to get better as the company grows. So, for those of us working at Avantair, there is no beef and we choose to be here because we want to be. If you look at all the negative posters, there are only a specific few and they all have the same twists to them. As I’ve posted before, ignore these folks and look at all the great posts by current employees that work for the company. Those far outweigh the opinions of these select few idiots.

 

[Drifter]

Firstly, I don't work for Avantair but here's what I think. Everybody I have talked to really likes it there. They like the airplane, they like the flying and I have never heard any BS about management or maintenance issues. I don't care where you work, or what you fly, there will always be some maintenance issues. These same issues may not be issues to others because we all have different personal limits and different experiences. As far as management is concerned, who cares? A pilot is a pilot. Of course we all think we know more than management and could run the company better and that everybody should listen to us. Well some pilots run their mouths way too much and I don't blame management for not listening sometimes. Guys like Pebbles ruin the common voice of the pilot and this creates a barrier between us and them. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Pebbles feels like he was burned by Avantair somehow and maybe 180puke too. Which, by the level of their professionalism on this board, seems like it was more than likely justified. Anyway, thats my 2 pennies. Flame on!

 

[indefinitehold]

Hi guys, its me, Murf!

Wow…all of this time has gone by...and still my name is being tossed about. Why I’m not sure. I thought the final salvos were fired a long time ago, and I have purposely stayed out of the weekly drama that is Avantair, motivated as much by my desire to simply move on as it was by threatening lawyers, attempted character defamation and ridiculous statements to the FAA (on record with the feds) about my mental stability made by those still in charge. This was an attempt on their part to explain the recent events of the time. I don’t need to go into what was said, those who said it know too well ….and to show just how childish it was, I am again a PIC and a D.O. on a 135 certificate, something that simply would not have been allowed had those statements made to the FAA been remotely true. The reality is that I and the others who were on the certificate were trusted and respected by the administration, something that can’t be said about some others at the company and their track record with the FAA.
I never claimed to be the best D.O. during my time there, but I claim to have tried my best and I worked as hard as I could to keep the company growing…safely! Things like SOPs and accountability in records, following the regs, proper MX procedures…these were the things I focused on, with the help of others who worked as hard as I did. I went to bat for a place I loved, at the request of a CEO that was a good friend, and despite the craziness that has gone on since, I wish those I know the very best. A lot of lives and jobs are on the line.
In short, my conscious is clear, and I know I did what I could for the company, including the pilots flying the line. Those who came to me with issues know this; I know it too. This is why I’m shocked to see that, even now, my name is linked with this constant badgering back and forth between a few people, some of whom ought to know that they have better things to do (like run their company) than waste time on a website for line pilots. Since they are aware that many of you are concerned about the stability of things, they should dispel rumors in a company oriented, professional manner, instead of logging on here under yet another chat name and pushing their loyalty-first slant pretending to be just another pilot. They have more important things to do.
I have no plans to pursue this further on this forum. I saw that my name was being tossed around, I responded to that, and that’s it. I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH …this forum, good or bad, is a place where people should be free to speak their minds, without fear of reprisal. This has happened in the past, I know it, and those who perpetrated it know it. If I do hear of a single person punished for simply writing his opinion, whatever it may be, I WILL let it be known HOW anonymity was breached in the past.
That said, I’m hoping those involved and I have an understanding. Best of luck to the pilots; while you have serious issues to deal with, there IS a lot to look forward to, if things are handled correctly. I wish you all the best.
Hugs and Stuff
Murf
To the others,
BITE ME!

 

[Flybet3]

Hugs and Stuff
Murf
To the others,
BITE ME!

You're a good man murf.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Does Avantair have a MKE base?

If not, do they have ORD or MDW?

What is it like to fly for Avantair? How fast is capt upgrade?

I was interested in finding out about what Avantair was like. I think if some of U guys want to attack each other u should start a new thread...
"The Current/Former Avantair Employees Pummeling Each Other Thread"
Actually, that is a good idea. I'll start it and U guys can take it over there.

cliff
YIP

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

You're a good man murf.

Whoa there Flybet finally something you and I agree on. I know Murf- have for some time and he is a good man. Does this mean that we can be friends now? I hope so. :beer: And no, I'm not a former department manager like B19 flyer accused me of, just someone who hates scumbags.

 

[Flybet3]

Whoa there Flybet finally something you and I agree on. I know Murf- have for some time and he is a good man. Does this mean that we can be friends now? I hope so. :beer: And no, I'm not a former department manager like B19 flyer accused me of, just someone who hates scumbags.

Well then we all need to go and party!! get a little drunk! and then go flying

 

[Flybet3]

Hi!

Does Avantair have a MKE base?

If not, do they have ORD or MDW?

What is it like to fly for Avantair? How fast is capt upgrade?

I was interested in finding out about what Avantair was like. I think if some of U guys want to attack each other u should start a new thread...
"The Current/Former Avantair Employees Pummeling Each Other Thread"
Actually, that is a good idea. I'll start it and U guys can take it over there.

cliff
YIP

Alrighty, well yeah, they have ORD as one of their gateway cities. There was one guy in my class who was a MKE guy flying out of ORD. Anyway, I like the airplane, I really enjoy the type of flying. Been doing it for a couple of years so I like it better than the typical airline. Captain upgrade is said to be a year or so, we'll see here in a couple of months... Make friends with an Avantair employee so you can get the real scoop of what's going on.
Oh yeah, get going on that thread, i wanna see that started by morning

 

[Longhorn]

MOD INPUT

Guys....Enough already with the personal threats. You all know this is not allowed. I dont want to close the thread but at this rate I will have no choice.

LH

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

Get drunk ? GO flying? I thought America West and Northwest invented that

 

[P180puke]

MOD INPUT

Guys....Enough already with the personal threats. You all know this is not allowed. I dont want to close the thread but at this rate I will have no choice.

LH

Looks like we're all just startin' to get along!

 

[Smellycat]

Give it time

Looks like we're all just startin' to get along!

It must be lunch time over at the Wander On Inn. Give it time.

 

[netjetwife]

To those looking for evidence of the B19 -Avantair connection...

A clear statement by Pebbles that proves to all of us insiders (and now on to the outsiders) that Pebbles hasn't a clue as to what is going on at Avantair. He never liked this person and is guessing using old knowledge before he quit six months ago. This individual has had nothing to do with MX for a long, long time. His interests have been directed elsewhere for a many months and these efforts are bearing great fruit for the company. MX at Avantair is excellent and the strategic cutbacks were painful but necessary. They also didn't include only MX.

To those of you that want to know the truth about Avantair, this is one of the neatest places that any aviation minded person could work. Those that speak poorly of the company are out of touch with the reality of what is happening and have been blacklisted by those of us that really do have a clue.

They spoke poorly when of the company when they worked here, thus we have chosen not to interact with them any longer. As a result, they don't get the true picture of what is happening and are forced to guess at what is happening. They lash out only because they don’t know any other way to express themselves for their own failures.

Those of us here know what is happening, and I can assure you that it’s all good. If you are thinking about coming to work here, post away and we’ll answer your questions. Ignore those that don’t have a clue. Those that don't have a clue will identify themselves simply by their inappropriate posts.

In the interest of accurate/honest posting, it wouldn't be right for me to avoid Glass's question/request to provide the source of my information.

Interesting observation: note the small size of B19's font compared to his recent posts. As his hatred for Unions became more obvious so did the font size he used. Communication experts would say, and many lay persons would agree, that he is now "yelling" as he posts. I wonder if this tendency shows up when he is working...:erm:

NJW

 

[netjetwife]

B19 made his employment at Avantair a public record...

I have to ask what is the beef with avantair? quote]


Here's the deal. There are a couple of former employees (one of them a former flight ops manager that quit in disgrace) that are bitter because they felt they didn’t get a fair shake and left the company. They got a fair shake, but chose to believe they were being singled out for no reason. They like to use the board to spread their ill will because nobody else inside the company will give them the right time of day. Most of us in the game know that "pebbles" is either one of them or closely tied to them. Our best guess is that it’s the former manager based on the extreme bitterness. This is evident by the posts, all of the false accusations and "known" information hasn't changed since the time he left in March. They can’t really get new info, because current employees won’t associate with any of them, partly because of their posts on this board but mostly because we enjoy working at Avantair and just get tired of their BS. Avantair is an amazing place to work and yes, there are growing pains. I can tell you though, that this is the place to be right now for to fly in the fractional world. The last six months have seen amazing things happen and it’s only going to get better as the company grows. So, for those of us working at Avantair, there is no beef and we choose to be here because we want to be. If you look at all the negative posters, there are only a specific few and they all have the same twists to them. As I’ve posted before, ignore these folks and look at all the great posts by current employees that work for the company. Those far outweigh the opinions of these select few idiots.

Ironically, in this thread B19 was trying to silence those who were critical of Avantair, but I think many FI members would identify B19's posts as bringing far more embarassment to Avantair because of his relentless attack on other FI members and his habit of posting false information, even when the named person in his post has made a correction on numerous occasions.

NJW

 

[wacoflyr]

Ironically, in this thread B19 was trying to silence those who were critical of Avantair, but I think many FI members would identify B19's posts as bringing far more embarassment to Avantair because of his relentless attack on other FI members and his habit of posting false information, even when the named person in his post has made a correction on numerous occasions.

NJW

I work for Avantair. I'm not embarrassed. Are you embarrassed by the occasional tool who works for Netjets? Believe me, they exist. They are outnumbered, of course, by all of the decent pilots who work there. It appears that b19 worked here in 2006. There has been lots of change since then. I couldn't put a number on it, but I bet that more than half of management has changed since then. A large number of the pilots who worked here back then have left as well. The vast majority of the people who worked here or still do are outstanding employees, and I am proud to be associated with them. Do we have the occasional tool? Of course. We all do.

 

[brokeflyer]

last I heard from my buddy there is the union drive is going to go forward within the next few months.


It's about time management stopped stealing all the money.

 

[HazMat]

total crap. although i bet management would sign up for the latest fractional teamster contract.

 

[wacoflyr]

last I heard from my buddy...

Broke, I usually like your posts, but here you sound just like NJW. I don't know didly about Netjets. Citationair? Flex? Flops? I wish them all the best. But unless they worked here, they don't know crap about what goes on here, anymore than I know about what goes on at their outfits. Good luck wherever you work, Broke. I hope you have the working conditions you want. I do.

Is this a pattern? Is all of this chatter because we are actually hiring and dare I say it, growing? Is this jelousy?

 

[learflyer]

Can't believe there is still union talk around here in this economy. Now I voted for the union at Flops, but WTF good is/was it? God help us all in the coming few years that a union isn't going to help. Wait until 2011 when the next double dip hits due to all of the commercial lending loans that are coming due. Yes. you are ALL lucky to have a job right now. Times have changed kids.

 

[netjetwife]

....Is this a pattern? Is all of this chatter because we are actually hiring and dare I say it, growing? Is this jelousy?

Not from me, and I'm sure that many of the NJ folks also hope that Avantair pilots will see their compensation package grow with the company until it matches or passes NJ. Moving the pilot profession up from the bottom here in the Fractional industry is a good thing for all of the pilots and families. I hope the same thing can happen in the Regionals, too. But naturally I'm partial to frac pilots/families...

 

[netjetwife]

Can't believe there is still union talk around here in this economy. Now I voted for the union at Flops, but WTF good is/was it? God help us all in the coming few years that a union isn't going to help. Wait until 2011 when the next double dip hits due to all of the commercial lending loans that are coming due. Yes. you are ALL lucky to have a job right now. Times have changed kids.

Actually, I think it's even more important to have your pay, schedule, benefits, etc protected during bad economic times when management may be even more tempted to do the easy thing and just slash those. Under the demand of trying to balance competing interests, management will not be considering things from the pilotgroup's perspective first...:erm: At times like that you are very lucky to have a legally binding contract speaking for you.

Best wishes to the FltOps pilots and families,
NJW

 

[learflyer]

Weren't NJA guys/gals laid off?