speedbird1974
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DC8-PFE said:Potential FNG's worried about international trips? That is quite a laugh. You got to do your turn in the barrel in Toledo. I've sat behind some of you new guys fresh from the commuters and elsewhere on your first overwater crossing. It's a bit scary. I've beenwith one you new guys who've rarely crossed one or two time zones on his first trip to africa. Absolutely amazed that the captain is trying to gt the exchange rate for dollars to doobers down as low as he can, while waving fistfulls of money at the ground handler, and I'm bribing the fuel truck driver with a case of coke, so that he can find our fueling authorization. It's a different world. The aircraft are as well equipped as an 8 can be. But remember we are dragging this thing screaming into the 21st century. Only a basic autopilot. No fancy bells and whistles. Just the engineer politely asking you "What in the F***k are you doing?". As for hauling boxes versus paxs...Are you frigging kidding???? That doesn't even need a reply.
haulingthemail said:I have a very good attitude. What I don't like to see is these kids bashing the PFE's. example from an earlier post by tk855"I am just curious, if you have some much knowledge and experience why are you still sitting sideways plumbing the thing? Why haven't you moved into the right seat? I have heard about "some" of the engineers at ATI not being able to hack the right seat. Just curious, not looking to offend"
Detroitpilot said:To add to the defense of PFE's, they are invaluable to operate with. I've never operated on a 3 person airplane with a Second Officer, but I know it sure is nice if you break down at an outstation, or simply need some routine maintenance or a service check that the guy who sits sideways can also keep that airplane flying. In some (most?) companies, they make more than the FO's, which is appropriate. The FE's also seem to have the best stories of the past and give perspective to newer punks like me. I also can't imagine being in a position which will slowly disappear in the next 10+ years as these aircraft are retired in favor of modern, more fuel efficient models. Give 'em a break!
tk855 said:No worries here moron. I am flattered that you think I am some kid, I only wish I was still that young. I have a feeling I have been around the block in life a few more times than yourself! I am not discounting the FE position, just wondering why this guy has such a hard-on towards the new fo's. I also happen to know that ATI has a program that allows some of their fe's to earn their ratings if they desire and move into the right seat. I happened to notice this guy had his comm, multi, inst. So haulingthemail, it appears that after all that vast SF340 experience you finally get to fly your very first heavy? I bet you feel like a real man, right? I am sure glad you are an authority on the DC8 now that you must have what, 100 hours in it.
81Horse said:-- I've always said that if you could extend the flap and gear handle to reach the fe's station, you could do away with the fo completely!!
But then the F/O would not be there to protect the F/E in the event of a birdstrike.