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[NJA Capt]

OK, I'm bored. For grins I thought I'd see who was flying today. Here is the short list from Flight Explorer.

5102 Aircraft over the US.
12 Citation Shares
25 FlexJet
46 Flight Options
84 NetJets
74 Comair

Ironic CS+FLex+Opt=83, NetJets 84

 

[xrated]

It appears you have too much time on your hands. Get a hobby!

 

[hawkercpt]

ok

if CS+FLex+Opt=83, NetJets 84, it could also be interpreted that this would be true as well...


CS=$65000/yr
Flex= $60000/yr
Pot=$63000/yr


Therefore the equation would mean EJ=188000/yr.

But we all know thats not true so maybe the equation should read


CS+Flex+Opts=EJ/5


(ps not sure of the dollar amounts for flex and cs, but you all get the picture)

 

[flyr4hire]

And your point is???

OK, you got us again, NetJets is king. All hail Net Jets. Anyone flying for another fractional is inferior. Boy, I wish I could fly for Net Jets.
Wake the f up dude, no irony to the figures... look at fleet sizes and I guess those numbers are just about what they should be...duh.

 

[RJL]

Lighten up guys (or gals). It's amazing how tense everyone is - even the lighthearted posts get slammed. I was going to post an (unfunny) response comparing the pilot's shoe sizes, but I am sure the responses it would create wouldn't make it worth the effort.

 

[niteflyr]

Lighten up...

No kidding guys, just look at it in the BIG PICTURE sense. 167 Total airplanes in the air are from frax. That is the impressive number to me, looking to the future for all Frax ops!

 

[Lrjet55]

Who gives a F--k how many planes are in the air. It still doesnt change the fact that we barely make a living at NJA. Biggest in this case doesnt mean squat. Flex,CS,FLOPS all make more than we do!

 

[fuzzydice]

Hey NJA Capt,

Just for grins, I decided to see how many fractional flights were the subject of FAA incident/accident reports over the holiday. Here's the total:

Netjets - 2
Flight Options - 0
Flexjet - 0

Happy Holidays

 

[x402]

I guess I missed your point, Fuzzy. I think I know the two "Incidents" you are refering to; failed nose wheel, and a bird strike. Both resulted in no injuries, both crews managed the events in a professional manner, avoiding injury and limiting damage.
That's probably what you meant to say. Fly safe.

 

[fuzzydice]

Well, my point was, at any given time I/you can search the internet for data that could show any particular company in a positive or negative light.

One of the incidents I found was the failed nose gear, however, the other incident was actually classified as an accident due to the amount of damage caused to the airplane resulting from two blown tires on landing at SBA. You mentioned a bird strike incident, so maybe there are three recent reports.

I'm not trying to claim that operations at NJA are unsafe, or that the crews are unprofessional. I think we all do the same job, with different signatures on our paychecks.

If NJA Capt wants to "rub it in" that his company was flying more on any particular given day at a particular time, then anybody else can just as easily find some negative press about his company to throw back at him. It's a fruitless exercise, but "out of boredom" I finally joined this forum as a member and decided to post.

 

[NJA Capt]

Good grief guys get a grip. I didn't make any comments saying " nah nah we're better than you." I made a simple post. I thought maybe you would like to see how many of YOUR airplanes were flying. Quit being so insecure that every time someone makes a comment you think they're trying to take a shot a you. And you think I need a hobby.

I gave numbers about planes flying, and get replies about pay, accidents, "all hail NJA". Talk about thread stealing. Sometimes there are no underlying motives for a post. This was one of them, and you guys turned it into the same old garbage that has become of every post.

For the record I enjoy my company, and I like to meet/talk to pilots with the other fracs. We're all doing the same job out here. It doesn't matter to me what color the stripes are, or how many planes are at the FBO.

 

[Live4flyng]

Maybe

That is the reason why FuzzyDice is sitting on the crapper and not in the cockpit. If it ain't a Boeing, he ain't going! Seems to me Fuzzy is on the wrong board, Majors are at the top, unless he wants to fly a BBJ for NJA.

 

[eglpilot]

it doesn't matter , the bubble has already begun to burst and there won't be many "fractionals" soon

 

[niteflyr]

WTFO

eglpilot, huh???????? What bubble is bursting? I guess the Thousands of frax share owners are all going to opt out so they can ride in the ever increasing, totally uncomfortable RJ fleet out there? Why so bitter about frax, we are far from being your competition.

 

[flyr4hire]

ur full of balogna

NJA CAPT. If you were making an "simple" post you wouldn't have included "Ironic CS+FLex+Opt=83, NetJets 84". What exactly did you see in these numbers that is ironic?

 

[fuzzydice]

Eglpilot better hope that the fractional bubble doesn't burst, because that would throw another thousand or so pilots on the street competing for the same jobs he wants - and at about 3200 TT and only jet experience in the jungle jet... I'm guessing at least 80-90% of us would be much more qualified than him.

Careful what you wish for.... don't think it's going to happen, though. Forecast is strong for corporate and fractional aviation during this upswing and for the forseeable future.

 

[NJAowner]

Growth may slow but I do not think the bubble will burst. Flying in a private jet, going where and when you want, is extremely, extremely addictive. For most owners it is not a borderline purchase (gee ... if I have 2 dollars less next year I can't fly), butone which is well within the means. I have seen businesses owners scale back businesses, sell outrageously expensive 2nd homes for just very expensive 2nd homes, but keep the jet. Or go from a private jet to fractional; but not all the way back to Continental Termincal C at EWR.

 

[NJA Capt]

Re: ur full of balogna

If you were making an "simple" post...

Who cares man? It's not worth getting bent out of shape over.

 

[LXJ31]

True...if that post was made in a vacuum where no one had an interest. On the "Fractional Pilots Forum" that post is like a football player at the Pro Bowl talking about his team's winning record in the locker room. While it is true, some might not appreciate it and would certainly make it known. If we were kids it would be called bragging. Personally, I didn't care when you posted it and I don't care now because you can't argue with facts. No argument: NetJets is the biggest fractional out there, Flight Options/TravelAire next, with Flexjet and CS on deck. The salesman at all companies work hard to increase market share and fractionals are no exception.

I believe what people are taking issue with is that you posted it and then threw your hands up like, "I wasn't trying to say anything I was just bored yada yada yada...." which is of course, a load of crap. You were feeling giddy because you have a good job at a good company thats doing alot of business (as evidenced by the numbers), feeling secure and you decided to show off a bit. I don't hold that against anyone; its human nature, like spiking the ball after a touchdown. But the condescending backpedal about how we all do the same job, different stripes etc. and how insecure we all must be was a bit much.

Like my auto mechanic once told me after an expensive brake job and oil change, "If you're gonna be hotdog you hafta pay for the mustard."

 

[Lrjet55]

NJA owner, I honestly dont believe that you are a real owner so that being said, why do you pretend?
If you do happen to be an owner then you obviously can read how things are going with the contract so do us a favor and drop ole' head honcho up there a little Xmas note and tell him were all going broke working here and its a relatively simple fix. Thanks.