ATA Scheduled Service Changes

[FL717]

Awwwww, thanks guys!

Bill Nelson ,
Actually we had Jetstreams (a very fine airplane to fly) without ATA....thank you very much.

LOL!!! Megadeth Rules!! You bought "The System has Failed" yet?

 

[capt. megadeth]

LOL!!! Megadeth Rules!! You bought "The System has Failed" yet?

C'mon now.....I bought it the day it came out! Went to the concert on 11/19 baby!!!!!!

 

[Bill Nelson]

(with furloughs until RJs arrive, if they arrive and ATA survives) since we know the future is RJs.

CEX is a class act through and through

So it is ATA's fault that your management is furloughing you? Maybe your management should have had a backup plan?

 

[JaX2Mdw4ASaab]

Dude,

I'm sure there were plenty of plans on the table. However, $hit rolls down hill and we are unfortunately at the bottom.

Let the good times roll.....

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[ATA For Now!]

(with furloughs until RJs arrive, if they arrive and ATA survives) since we know the future is RJs.

CEX is a class act through and through

So it is ATA's fault that your management is furloughing you? Maybe your management should have had a backup plan?

I know their management although I have NEVER worked there. Scott is one of the best managers out there and should not be blamed for the short sighted mis management of mainline.

RV

 

[capt. megadeth]

(with furloughs until RJs arrive, if they arrive and ATA survives) since we know the future is RJs.

CEX is a class act through and through

So it is ATA's fault that your management is furloughing you? Maybe your management should have had a backup plan?

You are making it really hard for me to be professional here. I am not even going to TRY to explain the situation to you since you obviously have no clue.

 

[vclean]

Willie Nelson,

Perhaps you don't understand the limitations and restrictions a wholly-owned subsidiary is held to by the parent company. CEX required permission and funding to seek fleet and schedule changes. Addionally, it could not seek outside flying without ATA's blessing.

It is easy to blame an airline's woes on it's failure to forecast market conditions and have a backup plan. Although CEX generated positive cash to ATA, it had to ask for its own money back to operate. Expansion, fleet changes and 'Plan B' are difficult without dead presidents to pay the bills. CEX is like a state asking the federal govt. for its tax monies back to build roads, bridges etc.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Is ATA furloughing pilots? Got a buddy who was hired in 2000,,,just wondering what his situation might be.

 

[saabcaptain]

Is ATA furloughing pilots? Got a buddy who was hired in 2000,,,just wondering what his situation might be.

furloughs at ATA aren't set yet but will be fairly deep it seems. 2000 hires may be in trouble.

as for CEX we also hope our furloughs, if any, will be short term as my understanding is any downsizing of an already very small airline has more to do with quickly changing fleet types and then re-expanding then any permanent losses.
the problem is our management saw all this coming YEARS ago and had plan A, plan B, plan Z, and plan AB to prevent it from happening but ATA often is like a deer in the headlights... they think the plans are all grand and wonderful but then they don't have the nerve to act.

all this said i am moving on to a certain carrier based in Dallas, but the loyalty that was engendered in me during my time at CEX will never die. they are a fantastic company, with wonderful employees and class act management starting with the man in the VP position. other companies should be so lucky.

now that i said my peace and look like a kool-aid drinking fool i will bow out of this discussion because all my LUV has got to go with my new carrier... can't wait. good luck to everyone in this industry.

 

[sayagain?]

ATA just announced 32 furlough notices went out ,effective the end of January. More to come. Future numbers all depend on how fast the aircraft leave and how fast the replacement ac arrive. That's the big question.

Only 250 from the bottom and I'm not feeling lucky.

sayagain?

USAirways furloughee 12/2001
ATA furloughee ??????

 

[capt. megadeth]

I just heard all but 12 FOs got their furlough notices today. My honey is going to be one of them....I don't have the heart to tell him.

I am so pissed/upset/sad/filled with emotion...etc.

 

[JaX2Mdw4ASaab]

Can someone check my Vfile.... Did i get one???


It may be a blessing in disguise

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bye

 

[TriStar_drvr]

I'm flying with an FO who got the furlough call yesterday while we on the way to New York. We just pulled into Minneapolis, and I plan on buying him (and me) all the beers we can drink as we watch football games this afternoon.

It's just a sad situation, and no I didn't expect SWA to prop us up so we can compete against them. To all you SWA guys, you can expect to see me asking for a JS from LAX to MDW very soon as ATA is suspending service to Chicago from there. Well, at least for as long as I'm based at MDW and am still employed.

 

[Ty Webb]

OK, here we go . . . . . I have quite a few friends at SWA, and I have always liked the company, but in the past year or two, it seems to me some things have definitely changed, and not necessarily for the better.

In my opinion, SWA used to be the underdog people rooted for. They hired good people, had something special, made money, generally worked well with others . . .

Now, as the 800-lb gorilla, some of their tactics aren't looking quite as right. PHL really comes to mind as an overly-aggressive maneuver, now with PIT announced, and CLT likely to follow, they are certainly going for the jugular. Do they need to? Nope. Now, I understand this is a cut-throat business, but they are taking off the gloves and working these guys at USAirways over with their bare fists. . . . . not really necessary, IMHO.

As for the pilots- when you had 300 airplanes that would pretend to miss a call from ground so they could gain the right-of-way, it wasn't so noticeable. Now that you have 600 airplanes out there doing it, it becomes obvious and obnoxious. And, is it me only, or have others noticed that some of the guys making it through the door over there aren't quite made of the same stuff as the rest?

Now we have this ATA thing . . . . AirTran was very upfront about its plans, while SWA pretends to be the "savior" of ATA. In the weeks and months ahead, I think it will become very obvious what they intend to do with ATA, and with MDW.


Good luck to all concerned.

 

[sayagain?]

This is going to be interesting.


sayagain?

 

[737tanker]

Ty Webb

Chill out & relax. To begin with SWA doesn't have 600 airplanes, they have 419. It seems that by your way of thinking a company shouldn't expand if it may hurt the competition. If that was the case SWA would never have started at all, let alone expand out of Texas. After a year of SWA being in BWI while USAir had a dramatic drop in market share their passenger load had tripled. It wasn't a lack of passengers that drove USAir out of BWI, nor will SWA drive USAir out of PHL due to a lack of passengers. As for the ATA contraction in MDW they were going to do that with or without SWA's money. Remember if AirTran had gotten the bankruptcy court approval then ATA would have nothing in MDW. George has said that he wants to pull ATA back to primarily charter & domestic out of IND. The contraction out of MDW is part of that plan. Before youy say that I don't have compassion for someone who gets furloughed I've been through furloughs & 5 bankruptcies in my aviation career.

 

[scoreboard]

Not really Ty

"Now, I understand this is a cut-throat business, but they are taking off the gloves and working these guys at USAirways over with their bare fists. . . . . not really necessary, IMHO." Ty

Could not disagree more, we usually fill voids at locations that have been abandoned or unserviced, example: US Air left Pitsburgh, we did not drive them out. Now SWA is the big bully? Scoff. Come on, it's business.

No, I don't wish any ill will on any US Air folks, it's tough times for all.

 

[Ty Webb]

Not sure how you figure that USAirways is doing more business out of BWI, unless you are not counting Metrojet, which represented over 70 flights a day at BWI. If you have a source for those numbers, or a link, I would sure like to see it.

And, while I may have been off on the number of aircraft you have planned for 2005, the point remains- the signature tactics of playing chicken on the ramps and ignoring ground control instructions to give way are getting obnoxious.

 

[ATA For Now!]

And, while I may have been off on the number of aircraft you have planned for 2005, the point remains- the signature tactics of playing chicken on the ramps and ignoring ground control instructions to give way are getting obnoxious.

I have been flying out of MDW for 6 years and always found WN's pilots to be completely professional. Maybe it's just you Ty!

 

[flyhard]

Ty,

Come on dude. One guy ignores ground and now you think they are doing it on purpose. GMAFB. And now you are saying that the airlines are a cut-throat business and you can't believe it. Wow, you have a lot to learn my friend.