ATA expanding at MDW--Again

[Whine Lover]

Chase,

The owners of ATA, Matlin-Patterson, and SWA have been in bed together for about 15 years on various deals.

John Dennison doesn't just happen to be ATA's Chairman of The Board and recent CEO for no reason.

You're delusional if you don't think SWA is pulling the strings at ATA.

YKW

 

[canyonblue]

Introductory fares between Chicago-Midway and Ontario start as low as $69 each way for off-peak travel days.......

Well there ya go Mega, cheap fares from ONT and you won't have to fly on Southwest.

 

[757jetflier]

Not slamming Chase but he's right at the top of that ol' pyramid, and the kool-aid is very fine. Truth is no one knows but ATA, SWA, and MatPat. But one thing is very transparent from outside the fence at Jonestown. These three players are definitely in bed together, and the floggings WILL continue.

 

[atafan]

SWA and ATA are competitors....GK said that to me when he was jumpseating shortly after the announcement 2+ yrs ago...we would do what we needed to do to make money, ATA would do the same. I believe that is what is happening here.

Respectfully, what else do you think he would say?

When I say ATA's scheduled routes are controlled by SWA what I mean is, I believe that ATA and SWA act in concert on any existing and future scheduled routes that ATA flies. I don't think you'll see ATA start any scheduled service that does not mutually benefit SWA and ATA, this is a very good thing in my opinion. Will SWA and ATA compete on some routes, maybe only because operational requirements like these new routes just announced.

Does anyone really think that ATA is planning on being a competitor of SWA?

These three players are definitely in bed together, and the floggings WILL continue.

JetFlier,

I don't agree with your poor assessment of ATA pilots but I couldn't agree more with this quote.

 

[757jetflier]

The assessment of ATA's pilots was with much sarcasm (except the PFE's of course). What pisses me off is the way SWA handled the furloughs of over 500 ATA pilots. Over the course of the rape of ATA, SWA hired what, say 1200 or more? How many ATA pilots were picked up 20, maybe 25. SWA doesn't want experience. They want to manage expectations. Much easier to do if the driver is military or RJ with nothing to base QOL or compensation on.


JetFlier,

I don't agree with your poor assessment of ATA pilots but I couldn't agree more with this quote.[/quote]

 

[capt. megadeth]

What pisses me off is the way SWA handled the furloughs of over 500 ATA pilots. Over the course of the rape of ATA, SWA hired what, say 1200 or more? How many ATA pilots were picked up 20, maybe 25.

Amen bro! That's just the icing on the cake.

 

[SWA/FO]

Man...you put the capital T in Tool! 99% of them could probably fly circles around your pansy self.

I can fly circles around you. Are we talking about Chicago Express? You were never at ATA...how would you know?

What pisses me off is the way SWA handled the furloughs of over 500 ATA pilots. Over the course of the rape of ATA, SWA hired what, say 1200 or more? How many ATA pilots were picked up 20, maybe 25.

Source? You have to pass the interview, repeat: one has to PASS the interview. We just don't hand out jobs to anyone.

imp: the SWA/FO

 

[757jetflier]

I can fly circles around you. Are we talking about Chicago Express? You were never at ATA...how would you know?



Source? You have to pass the interview, repeat: one has to PASS the interview. We just don't hand out jobs to anyone.

imp: the SWA/FO

Passed the interview TWICE dipsh*t. The fact I was ATA was the kiss of death at the DB. Don't yank my chain sonny, I've been around. I was losing my job because of SWA and looking to stay employed. I have a lot of friends on the inside including the PD, I know the whole drill.

Initially pref interviews were offered to the first furloughs. Suddenly those pref interviews went away with only a handful hired. Both times I interviewed was not the pref kind, however something SWA decided definitely had an effect on how many ATA pilots, furloughed or not were brought on board. Your PD and DB really do have some funny criteria given the stats of who they hire and who they don't.

All in all, I'm happy I didn't get picked up. The whole cult/sweatshop culture at SWA definitely wouldn't fit my rogue personality. Funny how things work out isn't it. I mean , SWA's whole warrior spirit/individualist mentality. Reality tells me that all you guys are looking for are conformists, lock-stepping to the beat of the SWA drum.

Enjoy your parade, thank you, I'll gladly watch from over here!

 

[SWA/FO]

Passed the interview TWICE dipsh*t. The fact I was ATA was the kiss of death at the DB. Don't yank my chain sonny, I've been around. I was losing my job because of SWA and looking to stay employed. I have a lot of friends on the inside including the PD, I know the whole drill.

Most people pair the two 1) passing the interview and 2) getting the job. If you passed the interview TWICE you would have been HIRED TWICE. The DB is part of the interview.

Your PD and DB really do have some funny criteria given the stats of who they hire and who they don't.

very true.

Reality tells me that all you guys are looking for are conformists, lock-stepping to the beat of the SWA drum.

Reality tells me that all you guys are looking for are conformists, lock-stepping to the beat of the (insert any Company name here) drum. Its called the FOM.

 

[757jetflier]

Most people pair the two 1) passing the interview and 2) getting the job. If you passed the interview TWICE you would have been HIRED TWICE. The DB is part of the interview.



very true.



Reality tells me that all you guys are looking for are conformists, lock-stepping to the beat of the (insert any Company name here) drum. Its called the FOM.

Take it for what it's worth because I'm sure in your myopic little world you know more than just about anyone, but .....during my interview process it was monitored very closely by insiders (maybe not on the DB itself, but someone closely connected). I do know what, and why, and trust me when I say this; I am glad that things worked out the way they did.

Saves me from having to see for myself just how "cool you are" in the crew room spewing the latest drivel from your FOM!

 

[SWA/FO]

Saves me from having to see for myself just how "cool you are" in the crew room spewing the latest drivel from your FOM!

You would not want to read our FOM. I'm way cool.

 

[atafan]

You would not want to read our FOM. I'm way cool.

http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_loser.php

Find out for sure.:laugh:

 

[mdf]

Passed the interview TWICE dipsh*t. The fact I was ATA was the kiss of death at the DB. Don't yank my chain sonny, I've been around. I was losing my job because of SWA and looking to stay employed. I have a lot of friends on the inside including the PD, I know the whole drill.

Yeah, what were they thinking!

 

[FlyinGuy]

757, If you interviewed like the last few posts, it is pretty easy to see why they did not hire you.

 

[Whataburger]

What pisses me off is the way SWA handled the furloughs of over 500 ATA pilots. Over the course of the rape of ATA, SWA hired what, say 1200 or more? How many ATA pilots were picked up 20, maybe 25. SWA doesn't want experience.

[/quote]

SWA has said many, many times - Experience is what got you the interview, a personality that will gel with the Employee group will get you hired.

 

[mhermann596]

I can fly circles around you. Are we talking about Chicago Express? You were never at ATA...how would you know?



Source? You have to pass the interview, repeat: one has to PASS the interview. We just don't hand out jobs to anyone.

imp: the SWA/FO

Nor were we looking for a handout from SWA, just some respect (of which we never got.) Also I've flown with Mega and she is a great stick.

 

[757jetflier]

757, If you interviewed like the last few posts, it is pretty easy to see why they did not hire you.

Yeah, I went in there like I owned the freaking place and I was owed a left seat job from the start. Raising hell and throwing chairs around. When I started running around naked swinging a bullwhip was when they said thanks but no thanks, you ATA guys party way too hard for us.

 

[SWA/FO]

Nor were we looking for a handout from SWA, just some respect (of which we never got.) Also I've flown with Mega and she is a great stick.

Have you ever flown with me? Where did you fly with Mega? Chicago Express? That is not ATA. Thats like saying Comair is Delta.

Give me an example of how Southwest disrespected you? Did they call you names? Or just not hire you? Did they make fun of your background, race , religion? What? I'm dying to know.

If thats the case then US Airways, TWA & Fed Ex disrespected me.....funny cus, I thought they just didn't hire me.

 

[fr8doggie]

If thats the case then..... & Fed Ex disrespected me.....

Thank God for small miracles.

 

[mhermann596]

Have you ever flown with me? Where did you fly with Mega? Chicago Express? That is not ATA. Thats like saying Comair is Delta.

Give me an example of how Southwest disrespected you? Did they call you names? Or just not hire you? Did they make fun of your background, race , religion? What? I'm dying to know.

You really want to know huh? Well, SWA broke a promise that that they made to me. I was an ATA furloughee, who at the time of furlough did not have the 1000 PIC. When I got furloughed, I called SWA to let them know my situation. I was told, by SWA, that they would hold my pref interview slot for me until I got the 1000 PIC. At that point I got hired on as a street captain for Pinnacle so that I can work on my PIC time. It was the worst 8 months of my life, but I sucked it up so that I could get the interview. Well when I crossed that magical 1000 PIC mark I made an immediate call to SWA to inform them that I was ready. I was then informed that my pref interview was revoked and please give us a call back when you have 1300 hours PIC and a type. I could just feel the LUV.