Astar's scope

[penguin22]

DHL has not violated your scope reference Kitty Hawk. Astar has violated your scope by chartering Kitty Hawk.

OK so who dunnit? Who chartered KHK? Astar or DHL? I think DHL did.

Peng.

Now that is a good question regarding the TRO that was brought to prevent ABX from flying DHL freight before DHL took us to court, and to be perfectly honest, I do not know, (but since I haven't heard anything regarding filing one), I believe it hasn't been filed. But, glad you brought it up cause it's not a bad idea.

Maybe there's no restraining order because no need to try to shut down KHK. There's no jobs to steal at KHK. They're already out of business.

 

[penguin22]

Another interesting tidbit on the conference call. ABX provides 2/3 of the lift for DHL in the US.

That leaves just 1/3 left for, umm, as one of the call-in analysts referred to them... AssStar

 

[AV8OR]

I suppose it amuses you to continually make reference to this alleged incident

As a matter of fact you are right, it does.

We'll see how it goes. Our view is that our scope requires the ATI &CCI pilots to be incorporated into our seniority list. It also provides for fences and seat protection. In other words, we would not be trying to take "their" flying. What ya'll tried and continue to try is a bit different. I fully realize you do not wish to be confused by the facts, so there is no need to reply.

Super, let me know how that works out.

 

[rotor&wing]

Another interesting tidbit on the conference call. ABX provides 2/3 of the lift for DHL in the US.

And of course, Hete never has lied about anything.

 

[rotor&wing]

Another interesting tidbit on the conference call. ABX provides 2/3 of the lift for DHL in the US.

You also forgot that Hete keeps reiterating that after the CHI buyout that all companies will be run as separate entities.

 

[erichartmann]

As a matter of fact you are right, it does.

Nice know you are so easily amused. Small things...

Super, let me know how that works out.

I doubt I'll have to.

 

[erichartmann]

You also forgot that Hete keeps reiterating that after the CHI buyout that all companies will be run as separate entities.

Hete does still have to deal with out CBA. We still work for ABX Air. The sucessor (which still owns ABX Air), affiliate etc. are all bound to our CBA. Hete will have little choice in long run.

 

[hvydriver]

Hete does still have to deal with out CBA. We still work for ABX Air. The sucessor (which still owns ABX Air), affiliate etc. are all bound to our CBA. Hete will have little choice in long run.

Wow. We thought that too. I wish you luck, but I doubt it will be as easy as you're thinking it will be.

 

[penguin22]

And of course, Hete never has lied about anything.

I'm sure a smart guy like you knows all about corporate accountability as required by Sarbanes-Oxley. A CEO can't just spit out nonsense in a quarterly conference call.

Lying by a CEO to the investor community so his stock looks more attractive carries criminal sanctions including imprisonment. If you know Hete's lying about it, why don't you report him to the SEC!

 

[rotor&wing]

I'm sure a smart guy like you knows all about corporate accountability

Sure do. So does DHL. That's why DHL is having the dispute with ABX due to lack thereof.

 

[LarryinTN]

Wow. We thought that too. I wish you luck, but I doubt it will be as easy as you're thinking it will be.

This one should be pretty straight forward as the situation is specifically covered in our SCOPE language. If we can't win on this then I can't imagine a situation where SCOPE would be enforceable.

 

[hvydriver]

This one should be pretty straight forward as the situation is specifically covered in our SCOPE language. If we can't win on this then I can't imagine a situation where SCOPE would be enforceable.

Yeah.

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

Yeah.

Do I detect a note of world-weary cynicism ?

 

[penguin22]

Wow. We thought that too.

OMG, I just realized what you've implied there. What YOU don't realize is the difference between

1)trying to get your new partner airline on one seniority list, and
2)trying to get your new partner airline shut down with a restraining order.

 

[Cargoav8or]

OMG, what I just realized is that you are afraid. Joe is pissing your ACMI down the toilet and may start the transfer of abx air assets to CHI. You may eventually see a little money from it, but Joe will have dragged this thing on it court so long that you won't even exist.

I would file for single carrier status too, CHI/ATI have everything to win and you to lose. I wouldn't doubt that CHI/ATI/KHK are the survivors of everything. Joe and his minions single handedly have drug our case on longer than it should of just by asserting that 17 pilots of ROSS no longer qualified Alpa to operate under the RLA. I think they know exactly what they are doing, but you are allowed to have your assertions.

See you at Thanksgiving at your union hall.

 

[Cargoav8or]

This one should be pretty straight forward as the situation is specifically covered in our SCOPE language. If we can't win on this then I can't imagine a situation where SCOPE would be enforceable.

Gee where I have heard that before. Oh and not by the pilot group but by lawyers.

Are you a lawyer?

 

[penguin22]

OMG, what I just realized is that you are afraid......(blah....blah....blah)

Nice attempt to divert the focus from your own blunder.

We use our Scope to attempt joining up pilot groups.
You use your Scope to attempt shutting down ABX.

 

[AV8OR]

Nice attempt to divert the focus from your own blunder.

We use our Scope to attempt joining up pilot groups.
You use your Scope to attempt shutting down ABX.

For you folks keepin score at home:

Reason ABX pilots are better pilots and people than AStar pilots......

A. They fly a mean CAT II approach while B-Star is a VFR only airline

B. They have 767's which means they will most certainly be the airline that flies the new 767's DHL bought, not ASS-Tar due to the fact that we're NOT CAT II AND, we don't currently have 767s

C. ABX had the foresight to develop the most revolutionary container system on the planet, the C Can, while B-Star only carries A cans.

D. ABX has two man crew cockpits that continuously fly on time AND rescue/replace broken ole B-Star aircraft, that never leave on time because the three member crews at B-Star just go to the aircraft and push when they feel like it. We are HUGE fans of min rest at our outstations don't ya know!

E. ABX pilots only use scope clauses in their contract to force pilot seniority list mergers when theirs been a violation. If that doesn't work out, then they don't try to enforce scope because that would mean negatively impacting another airline pilot's job. ASS-Tar pilots are greedy SOBs who use their scope clause to prevent management from transferring flying to another airline without trying to merge pilot seniority lists.

F. ABX is THE REAL DHL airline, AStar is just a pi$$ ant airline that's been flying as DHL for the last 30 years.

Ya know yall are right. Yall are just better. Period. I don't know why I didn't see it sooner.

 

[FreightBumper]

For you folks keepin score at home:

Reason ABX pilots are better pilots and people than AStar pilots......

A. They fly a mean CAT II approach while B-Star is a VFR only airline

B. They have 767's which means they will most certainly be the airline that flies the new 767's DHL bought, not ASS-Tar due to the fact that we're NOT CAT II AND, we don't currently have 767s

C. ABX had the foresight to develop the most revolutionary container system on the planet, the C Can, while B-Star only carries A cans.

D. ABX has two man crew cockpits that continuously fly on time AND rescue/replace broken ole B-Star aircraft, that never leave on time because the three member crews at B-Star just go to the aircraft and push when they feel like it. We are HUGE fans of min rest at our outstations don't ya know!

E. ABX pilots only use scope clauses in their contract to force pilot seniority list mergers when theirs been a violation. If that doesn't work out, then they don't try to enforce scope because that would mean negatively impacting another airline pilot's job. ASS-Tar pilots are greedy SOBs who use their scope clause to prevent management from transferring flying to another airline without trying to merge pilot seniority lists.

F. ABX is THE REAL DHL airline, AStar is just a pi$$ ant airline that's been flying as DHL for the last 30 years.

Ya know yall are right. Yall are just better. Period. I don't know why I didn't see it sooner.

You finally get it! The first sign of healing is when you admit you have a problem. But, in spite of your short comings, DHL still loves you best. Why else would they be blind to the above facts.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

For you folks keepin score at home:

Reason ABX pilots are better pilots and people than AStar pilots......

A. They fly a mean CAT II approach while B-Star is a VFR only airline

B. They have 767's which means they will most certainly be the airline that flies the new 767's DHL bought, not ASS-Tar due to the fact that we're NOT CAT II AND, we don't currently have 767s

C. ABX had the foresight to develop the most revolutionary container system on the planet, the C Can, while B-Star only carries A cans.

D. ABX has two man crew cockpits that continuously fly on time AND rescue/replace broken ole B-Star aircraft, that never leave on time because the three member crews at B-Star just go to the aircraft and push when they feel like it. We are HUGE fans of min rest at our outstations don't ya know!

E. ABX pilots only use scope clauses in their contract to force pilot seniority list mergers when theirs been a violation. If that doesn't work out, then they don't try to enforce scope because that would mean negatively impacting another airline pilot's job. ASS-Tar pilots are greedy SOBs who use their scope clause to prevent management from transferring flying to another airline without trying to merge pilot seniority lists.

F. ABX is THE REAL DHL airline, AStar is just a pi$$ ant airline that's been flying as DHL for the last 30 years.

Ya know yall are right. Yall are just better. Period. I don't know why I didn't see it sooner.

You forgot that the chicks dig our uniforms more than yours too!

 

[hvydriver]

You forgot that the chicks dig our uniforms more than yours too!

I dunno JJ. Chicks seem to dig our biker jackets.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

I dunno JJ. Chicks seem to dig our biker jackets.

Dangit...:uzi: (Biker Jacket)

<---- Pacing and thinking.

OK. Then our logo is cooler than your logo. :laugh:

 

[hvydriver]

Dangit...:uzi: (Biker Jacket)

<---- Pacing and thinking.

OK. Then our logo is cooler than your logo. :laugh:

LOL! Well maybe so, JJ. I kind of like the Big Red Russian star on 873SJ. Since our E-Team :smash: is kinda like the Politburo, it seems fitting. :laugh:

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

LOL! Well maybe so, JJ. I kind of like the Big Red Russian star on 873SJ. Since our E-Team :smash: is kinda like the Politburo, it seems fitting. :laugh:

I'd only just become used to my cornfield being infested by the Yellow Peril when I noticed the Red Russian star; 'wtf is THAT?' - I recall uttering to my sidekick.

Good news was that next time spotted it was taxying faster than my grandmother could run.

'Hell' I said, once again to a captive sidekick audience, 'Those Astar boys have finally figured out how to taxi.'

That's why we'll get the new 767s. We know how to taxi properly.

 

[hvydriver]

I'd only just become used to my cornfield being infested by the Yellow Peril when I noticed the Red Russian star; 'wtf is THAT?' - I recall uttering to my sidekick.

Good news was that next time spotted it was taxying faster than my grandmother could run.

'Hell' I said, once again to a captive sidekick audience, 'Those Astar boys have finally figured out how to taxi.'

That's why we'll get the new 767s. We know how to taxi properly.

LOL!! Well, I guess you didn't know, but our GOM had specific speed limits in it, of a max. of 20 kts. Now we can do 30 kts., as they got it changed for the cornfield. It's a better deal. And remember, "Rubbin's Racin'!!"

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

30 kts? Then perhaps the new 767s are yours after-all. Damn.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

Now we can do 30 kts.

Oh yeah tuff guy! :smash:

I'll see your 30 kts and raise ya 20. :nuts:

 

[hvydriver]

Oh yeah tuff guy! :smash:

I'll see your 30 kts and raise ya 20. :nuts:

Git'er dun!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lszQn7hVxhc

(a classic!)

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

Git'er dun!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lszQn7hVxhc

(a classic!)

An Outstanding clip. Now the gloves are off, although it's unfortunate that it may truly have relevance to life in the happy cornfield.

Trouble is that the Yellow Peril will win by default
as they don't have to drag medieval siege machines designed by the Romans and pulled by a cast of thousands to off load the aircraft.

How many times have we ABX types cruised at .83 and descended with open speed-brakes only to have Gomer and his inbred brothers/sisters/wives take 10 minutes to line up the siege machine? Damn good job it's patented, otherwise everyone else would steal our idea.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

How many times have we ABX types cruised at .83 and descended with open speed-brakes only to have Gomer and his inbred brothers/sisters/wives take 10 minutes to line up the siege machine? Damn good job it's patented, otherwise everyone else would steal our idea.

That goes right along with the long standing program of "Saving Diesel Fuel by Burning Jet Fuel". Drives me batty. They know we are coming, see us coming down the alley, we pull in, and there we sit with an engine idling while they try to get the piece of $hat GPU to start.:uzi: