Astar's scope

[shooter]

Trust me shootie, after 22 years of doing this I know what Flight Dispatch does (you only wish it was Flight Control)

I can do your job, but you can't do mine.

Have a nice day!

care to bet on that?

 

[ABXbooger]

l8fr8,

Honestly from the people I have talked to nobody at ABX wants your jobs, we do however want a combined, integrated seniority list. DOH with fences and let's move forward crushing the ACMI competition. Should mean lots of work for all of us.

 

[shooter]

l8fr8,

Honestly from the people I have talked to nobody at ABX wants your jobs, we do however want a combined, integrated seniority list. DOH with fences and let's move forward crushing the ACMI competition. Should mean lots of work for all of us.

I agree. When this is all done, ABX will be one stop shop for everything from charter, long term contract, dom/int, air-ground cargo solutions, training, ground facilities management, maintenance company. When the dust settles, it should be quite the operation.

 

[penguin22]

Hey Peng, I know your not really lookin for answers here. Just stirring the pot, OK, I get it. But JIK you don't have afriggin clue about how this happens, it's workin the same way it did before....

A. Violation of scope.
B. Scope grievance file for expidited arbitration.
C. Scheduled arbitration.

Hold the phone hold the phone! DHL takes ALPA to court, ABX management enjoins and throws all of it under the bus because judge doesn't know her a** from a hole in the ground.


D. Go to arbitration.
E. Comply with arbitration ruling.

Right now we're at about B. on the list and all parties have been informed. Tell ya what though, if we get taken to court, I'll let ya know where it's gonna be so you can send your management over to join DHL/Astar in their lawsuit.

Oh good! It works the same way it did before. So here's the step you left out, ...the one that pissed off every ABX pilot.

-->ALPA files a restraining order to stop DHL from contracting with KHK.

Last time around, you guys did that before ABX enjoined. So where's your TRO against KHK?

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

I won't speak for the rest of my coworkers at ATI, but I personally hope you're successful in integrating us into your company. I'd hate to see us being pushed into a ABX/Astar pissing match scenario.

It's only a pissing match because the Alpo tribe turned it into one. There is/was a win /win scenario but it takes two to dance and somebody ( not to mention names) did unfortunately insist upon sulking in the corner and suing to stop the band from playing. Boo Hoo.


A good question has been asked ref Kitty and the Lawsuit, and taking the refuge of last resort now has the Alpo boys flaming rather than answering.

To reiterate: is Kitty Hawk now named in the lawsuit?

And yes, before it's mentioned; I do live in a cubicle and haven't seen the sun for weeks.

 

[AV8OR]

Peng.

Now that is a good question regarding the TRO that was brought to prevent ABX from flying DHL freight before DHL took us to court, and to be perfectly honest, I do not know, (but since I haven't heard anything regarding filing one), I believe it hasn't been filed. But, glad you brought it up cause it's not a bad idea.

Second, I am truly amazed that some of yall seem to think that we only filed a scope grievance against the ABX flying. AND that it's somehow a personal thing against ABX. I know yall take it personal, but we have filed a scope grievance every time we've felt it was violated.....period. Here's the deal. When we feel our contract has been violated, we grieve it, and it doesn't matter if it pisses off the company, DHL, ABX, NWA, or any other party that we beilieve is in violation, we file it. We considered the tactic others have been known to take of getting pi$$y and sending poop to our management, but, call us crazy, we just filed a grievance instead.

As a side not, seems yalls "superior" position in the ABX/CHI deal is, "Well, we're gonna integrate the seniority lists and solve the problem and so there won't be a scope violation with ABX, and therefore that makes us more charitable toward our newly aquired brethren." Hey ya know what? If yall accomplish that, super. But if ya don't, and lift is transfered, yall aren't gonna file a scope grievance right? That wouldn't be very nice. And yall are nice. A lot nicer that us Astar pilots right?

Good luck. I'll bethe first to let ya know if a TRO is filed.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

A good question has been asked ref Kitty and the Lawsuit, and taking the refuge of last resort now has the Alpo boys flaming rather than answering.

To reiterate: is Kitty Hawk now named in the lawsuit?

First I think we would all be best served if we kept the derogatory comments out of the discussion.

If your question is in regards to the Grievance 017 has with DHL, No KHK is not named in that or any other action spawned from that action.

Our MEC has been in direct communication with the KHK MEC for quite awhile now and they have been apprised of our situation and concur with our assessment. When we first caught wind of the KHK contract (from the KHK pilots I might add), 017 MEC notified them that a scope violation has occurred, and a Grievance will follow. Our current scope prohibits this type of peak period contracting between November 1 and January 1 without notice to the MEC by September 1 of each year. That notification was not provided. The remedy for a Scope Grievance is through expedited binding arbitration. It remains to be seen if DHL will even show up for the hearing.

I hope this helps

 

[erichartmann]

We considered the tactic others have been known to take of getting pi$$y and sending poop to our management, but, call us crazy, we just filed a grievance instead.

I suppose it amuses you to continually make reference to this alleged incident but personally I have seen no proof it actually occured. Management may have provided proof, but I would not personally be inclined to simply take their word for it. Further, 1224's pilots make up less than 10% of ABX's total workforce. Many of the other +90% dislike our managment more than we do, and they do not have the option of filing grievances. We do have that option. We also know it annoys them.

As a side not, seems yalls "superior" position in the ABX/CHI deal is, "Well, we're gonna integrate the seniority lists and solve the problem and so there won't be a scope violation with ABX, and therefore that makes us more charitable toward our newly aquired brethren." Hey ya know what? If yall accomplish that, super. But if ya don't, and lift is transfered, yall aren't gonna file a scope grievance right? That wouldn't be very nice. And yall are nice. A lot nicer that us Astar pilots right?

We'll see how it goes. Our view is that our scope requires the ATI &CCI pilots to be incorporated into our seniority list. It also provides for fences and seat protection. In other words, we would not be trying to take "their" flying. What ya'll tried and continue to try is a bit different. I fully realize you do not wish to be confused by the facts, so there is no need to reply.

 

[erichartmann]

First I think we would all be best served if we kept the derogatory comments out of the discussion.

If your question is in regards to the Grievance 017 has with DHL, No KHK is not named in that or any other action spawned from that action.

Our MEC has been in direct communication with the KHK MEC for quite awhile now and they have been apprised of our situation and concur with our assessment. When we first caught wind of the KHK contract (from the KHK pilots I might add), 017 MEC notified them that a scope violation has occurred, and a Grievance will follow. Our current scope prohibits this type of peak period contracting between November 1 and January 1 without notice to the MEC by September 1 of each year. That notification was not provided. The remedy for a Scope Grievance is through expedited binding arbitration. It remains to be seen if DHL will even show up for the hearing.

I hope this helps

If I were a betting man I'd say no. DHL has made their position regarding your scope claims clear.

 

[FreightBumper]

First I think we would all be best served if we kept the derogatory comments out of the discussion.

If your question is in regards to the Grievance 017 has with DHL, No KHK is not named in that or any other action spawned from that action.

Our MEC has been in direct communication with the KHK MEC for quite awhile now and they have been apprised of our situation and concur with our assessment. When we first caught wind of the KHK contract (from the KHK pilots I might add), 017 MEC notified them that a scope violation has occurred, and a Grievance will follow. Our current scope prohibits this type of peak period contracting between November 1 and January 1 without notice to the MEC by September 1 of each year. That notification was not provided. The remedy for a Scope Grievance is through expedited binding arbitration. It remains to be seen if DHL will even show up for the hearing.

I hope this helps

DHL has not violated your scope reference Kitty Hawk. Astar has violated your scope by chartering Kitty Hawk. Did I miss something or does your grievance need to be against DHL or Dasberg and his boys?(not his actual boys; his management team.) DHL doesn't need to show for this latest round of mismanagement by the Das and the general.

 

[penguin22]

DHL has not violated your scope reference Kitty Hawk. Astar has violated your scope by chartering Kitty Hawk.

OK so who dunnit? Who chartered KHK? Astar or DHL? I think DHL did.

Peng.

Now that is a good question regarding the TRO that was brought to prevent ABX from flying DHL freight before DHL took us to court, and to be perfectly honest, I do not know, (but since I haven't heard anything regarding filing one), I believe it hasn't been filed. But, glad you brought it up cause it's not a bad idea.

Maybe there's no restraining order because no need to try to shut down KHK. There's no jobs to steal at KHK. They're already out of business.

 

[penguin22]

Another interesting tidbit on the conference call. ABX provides 2/3 of the lift for DHL in the US.

That leaves just 1/3 left for, umm, as one of the call-in analysts referred to them... AssStar

 

[AV8OR]

I suppose it amuses you to continually make reference to this alleged incident

As a matter of fact you are right, it does.

We'll see how it goes. Our view is that our scope requires the ATI &CCI pilots to be incorporated into our seniority list. It also provides for fences and seat protection. In other words, we would not be trying to take "their" flying. What ya'll tried and continue to try is a bit different. I fully realize you do not wish to be confused by the facts, so there is no need to reply.

Super, let me know how that works out.

 

[rotor&wing]

Another interesting tidbit on the conference call. ABX provides 2/3 of the lift for DHL in the US.

And of course, Hete never has lied about anything.

 

[rotor&wing]

Another interesting tidbit on the conference call. ABX provides 2/3 of the lift for DHL in the US.

You also forgot that Hete keeps reiterating that after the CHI buyout that all companies will be run as separate entities.

 

[erichartmann]

As a matter of fact you are right, it does.

Nice know you are so easily amused. Small things...

Super, let me know how that works out.

I doubt I'll have to.

 

[erichartmann]

You also forgot that Hete keeps reiterating that after the CHI buyout that all companies will be run as separate entities.

Hete does still have to deal with out CBA. We still work for ABX Air. The sucessor (which still owns ABX Air), affiliate etc. are all bound to our CBA. Hete will have little choice in long run.

 

[hvydriver]

Hete does still have to deal with out CBA. We still work for ABX Air. The sucessor (which still owns ABX Air), affiliate etc. are all bound to our CBA. Hete will have little choice in long run.

Wow. We thought that too. I wish you luck, but I doubt it will be as easy as you're thinking it will be.

 

[penguin22]

And of course, Hete never has lied about anything.

I'm sure a smart guy like you knows all about corporate accountability as required by Sarbanes-Oxley. A CEO can't just spit out nonsense in a quarterly conference call.

Lying by a CEO to the investor community so his stock looks more attractive carries criminal sanctions including imprisonment. If you know Hete's lying about it, why don't you report him to the SEC!

 

[rotor&wing]

I'm sure a smart guy like you knows all about corporate accountability

Sure do. So does DHL. That's why DHL is having the dispute with ABX due to lack thereof.