ASA VP FLT OPs tries to scare the pilots

[sweptback]

Folks, this is what every management team has done during contract negotiations, especially the endgame.

Nothing is new here. We have to just ignore this and know that business decisions are not made by pilots.

 

[SilverandSore]

I'd like to see what the difference is per year between what the pilot's are asking for and what the company is asking for. Does anyone have access to that info?

Let's really break it down into what it is. Then we can all decide if the pilots should pay for it or if the company could save that amount with the pilot's help.

For example, for every mile 'early' (early is defined as 'by the book...POH')that I call flaps 8, the company eats about $4 in fuel (do the math, you'd be surprised). I know ASA doesn't eat it, Delta does. But if ASA saved that amount of fuel, when Delta comes calling for more savings in the way of their DCI contract, ASA would be in a better position to handle that. Here I've been waiting for the flaps 8 and flaps 20 calls until final to accomodate the interest of the passengers and company (and myself), I guess it's time to go by the book.

That'll be at least 10 miles earlier than I've been doing it. Just think, by 'not helping', I'll cost the company an additional $40, just on final. Imagine what I could do if I was content and felt that my management worked with me to run the best airline we could...

 

[79%N1]

Well, to be devils advocate......IF what Tutt says is true, ASA is going to fuc%ing suck a$$ to work at! Junior Captains will go back to FO, Senior FO's will NEVER upgrade, and Junior FO's will be furloughed! Don't forget, the ATR's will be gone next year, and 13 or more 700's and one base closure! Not what I signed up for, thats for sure. I'm not sure why we think they won't do this. Calling their bluff is walking on really thin ice! Why won't they give the 900's to Skywest??? THEY FLY THEM FOR 50 SEAT RATES!!!!!! I'm not saying we should, at ASA.....but, ALPA is definitely asking for too much! Read the open sections email. We need to prioritize. If keeping 700 pay is priority number 1, then lets drop rigs and a funded retirement. Lets drop the 50 seater increases a bit. If rigs is the #1 issue, then lets come down on 70 seat pay. I'm all about getting whats fair, and I aint no management kool-aid drinker, however, I just don't see us being almost 25% higher in pay on the 700 than industry average, which is about what ALPA is asking for, and keeping those planes. If you think we will, you don't understand todays Regional Lift Provider environment! Who decided this? I was never 'polled' on what I think 700 pay should be. Lets get back in there, and compromise and come to an agreement so we dont go the way of ACA/Indy Air.

 

[E120ASA]

And now maybe the shi--zzs calling in on opps all the time will see the light.
Sit there, be happy. No apu, no fly.

 

[79%N1]

And now maybe the shi--zzs calling in on opps all the time will see the light.
Sit there, be happy. No apu, no fly.

Riiiiight e120! I'm sure you'll just be sitting tight on ramp 4 when you are on your last leg to the overnight, on a reduced rest 8 1/2 overnight with a 30 min ride to the hotel both ways. I want to get done with my day sometimes, and get a meal and some sleep rather than sit around while the rejects in ATL sit around with their thumbs up their rears.

 

[USCtrojan]

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If you don't dangle a carrot, there's nothing to take away. This is not a surprise to me. I still want to see hard numbers on how we are not cost effective. Our mechanics and FA's make less than Skywest, yet we are not cost effective.... I keep hearing it, prove it please.

Trojan

 

[gator_hater]

Well, to be devils advocate......IF what Tutt says is true, ASA is going to fuc%ing suck a$$ to work at! Junior Captains will go back to FO, Senior FO's will NEVER upgrade, and Junior FO's will be furloughed! Don't forget, the ATR's will be gone next year, and 13 or more 700's and one base closure! Not what I signed up for, thats for sure. I'm not sure why we think they won't do this. Calling their bluff is walking on really thin ice! Why won't they give the 900's to Skywest??? THEY FLY THEM FOR 50 SEAT RATES!!!!!! I'm not saying we should, at ASA.....but, ALPA is definitely asking for too much! Read the open sections email. We need to prioritize. If keeping 700 pay is priority number 1, then lets drop rigs and a funded retirement. Lets drop the 50 seater increases a bit. If rigs is the #1 issue, then lets come down on 70 seat pay. I'm all about getting whats fair, and I aint no management kool-aid drinker, however, I just don't see us being almost 25% higher in pay on the 700 than industry average, which is about what ALPA is asking for, and keeping those planes. If you think we will, you don't understand todays Regional Lift Provider environment! Who decided this? I was never 'polled' on what I think 700 pay should be. Lets get back in there, and compromise and come to an agreement so we dont go the way of ACA/Indy Air.

I'm with you on this one. Every other airline is facing pay cuts and ALPA is asking for a 17% raise over the next three years for the entire pilot group. PLus other $$. Lets be conservative and say that the average pilot here makes 60K. A 17% increase across the board is about $19m. That comes out of the whopping $41m profit. Regardless of what our DCA says, that is not good business. We run on small profit margins and cutting those in half is pretty stupid. Time for ALPA to get their collective head out of their A$$ and be REASONABLE. Pay cuts are not reasonable either but they are a hell of a lot closer that ALPA.

 

[79%N1]

The fractionals just got a whole lot more appealing!

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Once again I pay for FLICA and don't want that BS on my computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No... you pay for the option to get FLiCA at home. It's free on the company computers at work. You're just paying for home access.

 

[goahead]

Okay so you are all going to strike over five dollars an hour? that's all i see is the money side and you think that the company is going to use false info on our SPP and profit sharing well guess what they can't, Skywest is public company and you, yes you, have access to all their financial records. So ALPA give us a contract to vote on and we'll decide what we are worth. At the end of the day this is a business and for us to keep operating we have to get growth. Just like any other airline in the world if your not growing then your dieing. And no I do not sleep with the CT and BL. I could give two sh_ts about those two but I do want more growth.

 

[ASARJMan]

The fractionals just got a whole lot more appealing!

So go, bye!

 

[goahead]

No... you pay for the option to get FLiCA at home. It's free on the company computers at work. You're just paying for home access.

Good point

 

["GO AROUND"]

Everyone Needs To Take That Letter, Either Print It When You Get To Work If There Is Not One In Your Box, And Write


SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!!!!!


ON IT AND SHOVE IT IN THE CP'S BOX ON TOP OF THE FILE CABINETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'LL BE DOING IT TONIGHT WHEN I GET INTO THE LOUNGE.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Either prove what they are saying by publishing the numbers or let the chips fall where they may.

 

[atlcrashpad]

It's a scare tactic by MGT. BL and CT will be fired before we start fuloughing. Do you honestly think JL will spare these two if finances dictate massive cuts of personnel?