ASA Travel Benefits

[PalmettoPilot]

Fact or Fiction? Saw this post on another web site... I was surprised it wasn't here first.


"It's has been confirmed our travel benefits are changing.... Worse than we all thought... Here's the story... This is fact. I do not comment until I know the facts and prove it's not a rumor... Two weeks ago the flight attendant supervisors, Chief pilots and ground supervisors had a meeting with Skywest personal. The meeting was about the change in travel benefits. At the meeting they were all told that ASA team members traveling on delta will be a S3C. We all expected this but they were also told them that we will be S3C's on ASA also. So we will be bumped on our own airline.... the reason given is because delta owns our seats not ASA or Skywest.. In this meeting they were also told that we will get 4 buddy passes a year instead of the 8 we get now and that we have to choose between our parents or companion to be on our travel benefits. You, guys that are married luck out and can have your spouse and parents. Also at your yearly anniversary you will need to pay $50 to activate your PPR card and travel benefits.

THIS INFO WAS MADE PUBLIC FOR ABOUT 4 HOURS. MANY FA'S AND PILOTS THAT HEARD THIS RESIGNED. SO THE SUPERVISORS AND CHIEF PILOTS GOT A E-MAIL AND FAX SAYING TO STOP TELLING EVEYONE ABOUT THE CHANGE. THEY WERE TOLD TO TELL ANYONE THAT INQUIRES ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT IT IS STILL IN NEGOTATIONS AND THEY DON'T KNOW ANYMORE INFO... THEY WERE TOLD THAT WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE QUITING IN THAT SHORT OF TIME THEY WOULD BE VERY SHORT STAFFED FOR THE HOLIDAYS. THEY WERE ALSO SCARED MANY FA'S WOULD CALL IN SICK AROUND THE HOLIDAY'S. ALSO THEY WERE TOLD THAT THE ANNOUNCENT WOULD BE MADE THE 1ST WEEK IN JANUARY AND THAT THE CHANGES IN BENEFITS WOULD TAKE EFFECT THE MIDDLE OF JULY. DON'T YOU THINK IT'S WEIRD THAT WE HAVE TWO TRAINING CLASS OVERLAPPING THIS MONTH. THIS IS ALSO THE SAME MONTH THAT THEY ARE ASKING CURRENT FA'S TO TAKE TTOWP IN ATL. LOOKS LIKE THEY EXPECT SOME FA'S TO QUIT SOON.

I thing everyone is hearing the same rumors."

 

[atlcrashpad]

ASA travel "Non Benefits"

I'm sure that since we are less than 3 weeks from the 90 day deadline it is worked out.

They (ASA, DAL, and SKYW) are going to hit us before Christmas. "Happy Holidays, travel benefits will suck, and we won't negotiate a contract until we feel we can bend you over and stick straight up you A$$."

This is total BS. You cannot tell me that they've not ironed out the details. DAL is giving employees $100 bonus (Nov) for meeting certain company goals. Sh*t, SKYW just posted a huge profit last quarter. WTF? I know ASA is not the best, but we are making money. Tell us already. But in reality, they won't say a thing, fearing a F/A walk out. I say F/A because they mostly stay for the pass benefits.

 

[atrdriver]

That whole thing has been posted before, the first time I saw it was about 1.5 months ago. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. Until I see it in an official publication I'm not going to lose any sleep about it.

 

[RegionalERPuke]

Unity

I agree, the best thing for all of us to do is to fly legally and support our MEC. We need to stick together against all of these evil managment tactics.

 

[propsarebest]

Welcome to the SKYW family! The DL travel bennies here SUCK!!! And, if you are married, good for you, you get much better flight benefits than us single people.

 

[79%N1]

I call B.S on this.
No pilot would quit after hearing a rumor, no matter how substantiated. FA's I believe may quit if this was official, rampers and gate agents too.

That said, this is going to suck....

 

[atlcrashpad]

ASA travel "Non Benefits"

I don't think Pilots are going to quit. F/A's put up with too much BS to begin with. Between Passengers, MGT, and Pilots, the travel benefits (and they were Great at ASA) are the only things worth the headache. I'd never quit for travel benefits and any pilot who says they would is either insane or a liar.

Well, he could have won the "Mega Millions" lottery and using the benefits as excuse. If it were me, I'd keep quiet and fly to the furthest destination, quit 5 minutes before departure, buy a ticket and demand to know why we are not leaving on time. Lol...

 

[FL000]

If it were me, I'd keep quiet and fly to the furthest destination, quit 5 minutes before departure, buy a ticket and demand to know why we are not leaving on time. Lol...

That's beautiful!

 

[atlcrashpad]

ASA travel "Non Benefits"

22 Days left in the 90 day agreement. I should think it has been ironed out by now. Maybe Willy will call us on "Turkey Day" to tell us ASA/DAL is sticking the drumstick up our A$$.

It would not surprise me to find out that we will get boarded after a "Buddy" pass riders. Is there any priority below S4? S99Z?

Come on "BL" spill the beans. Tell us how we've lost all our travel benefits and you want us to take concessions. Or perhaps Willy can call X-mas morning with the "Good" news.

 

[atlcrashpad]

ASA travel "Non Benefits"

Just noticed on Travelnet under my account, they've added another column S3C. It's coming....

 

[jetstream]

How bout we respond by consistently denying the jumpseat to mainline.

"Sorry buddy we're overweight"

 

[PalmettoPilot]

Just noticed on Travelnet under my account, they've added another column S3C. It's coming....

That would only screw the pilot, and it would surely come back on us. The problem is with the company, not the pilots.

Of course if we had our commuter clause, that would help things a bit.

 

[atlcrashpad]

ASA travel "Non Benefits"

Palmetto Pilot,

I agree do not take it out on the pilot. The company is at fault not the pilot.

 

["GO AROUND"]

How bout we respond by consistently denying the jumpseat to mainline.

"Sorry buddy we're overweight"

If that makes you feel better. You da man!

Guessing you've never commuted?

Back in the shed TOOL!

 

[SSDD]

The way it works with DL and all the other non owned DCI is S3 on your own flights and S3C on everybody else. Why would you guys be different? There is no global conspiracy to screw ASA.

 

[49W]

The way it works with DL and all the other non owned DCI is S3 on your own flights and S3C on everybody else. Why would you guys be different? There is no global conspiracy to screw ASA.

Because we are going to be S3C's on our own flights. Delta will be able to bump us off our flights.

 

[SSDD]

Why would you get lower priority on your own flights than Skywest and Chautauqua have on theirs?. You will be S3's on your flights and S3C's on everybody else's. DL people will continue to be S3's on their flights and S3C's on the connection carriers.

That's the way its been for about 3 years. Unless its been announced for sure that it is changing across the board, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[sweptback]

Why would you get lower priority on your own flights than Skywest and Chautauqua have on theirs?. You will be S3's on your flights and S3C's on everybody else's. DL people will continue to be S3's on their flights and S3C's on the connection carriers.

That's the way its been for about 3 years. Unless its been announced for sure that it is changing across the board, I wouldn't worry about it.

Because we all believe that it will change for everybody, under the guise of 'Delta owns all the flying'. You're right in the fact that ASA won't be S3C on their own flights while SkyWest and CHQ maintain S3 priviledges on their own flights. It will have to all change at once, and that date will most likely be 7/1/06.

Supposedly the rumor goes that we had to compromise on the S3C deal to maintain our 18 international flight days. As if those international flights are going to be easy to get on when you're barely above buddy passes, anyway.

 

[49W]

Negative rumors usually come true at some point and positive rumors usually don't come true:nuts:

 

[Chaz]

propsarebest:

What is the problem with our delta benefits? Seems fair to me.

As far as S3C on your own airline, that's not right. It would be suprising if that is the end result. Skywest has always looked out for us regarding travel. I see no reason why they wouldn't do the same for ASA.

 

[SSDD]

Suppossedly the rumor goes...

 

[jetstream]

There is no global conspiracy to screw ASA.

Would you please call the ASA General Office and pass that on to them?

Thanks!

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

What I hear from very reliable sources is that ASA management will continue to get S2/S3 (along with a supply of S1, as they secretly have now) while everyone else will be bumped to S3C.

Supposedly, the Skywest deal included various options as to how flight benefits would be structured going forward, with their costs already determined before the deal was finalised. There are no "ongoing negotiations" as they would have us believe.

We continue our S2/S3 benefits now, at company expense, only because the immediate cost of massive attrition far outweighs the short-term cost of the higher flight priorities.

As soon as the shrinkage of our flight schedule will allow for massive attrition, they will change our flight benefits immediately. Not "July 1, 2006", as the unofficial info leak has us believing. In fact, that is a clever tactical maneuver to shrink the workforce without layoffs/furloughs: disgruntled employees leave while satisfied workers stay.

 

[wms]

Just noticed on Travelnet under my account, they've added another column S3C. It's coming....

I don't know about everyone else, but I've always had an S3c column, I used to check it when I non-revved on SKW and ACA.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Never noticed before

I don't know about everyone else, but I've always had an S3c column, I used to check it when I non-revved on SKW and ACA.

WMS,

I've never noticed it before. But I really never looked that section in detail before. I've been on MIL Leave since Jun 04 and been to Iraq and back since. I've had no real need to look until recently. It could have always been there and I've never noticed. I'll be the first to admit I never really looked, so if it appears I'm a "Doomsayer", I never intended it.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Travel Benefits

20 more days left until the 90 day "stays the same" benefits run out. There still is no word, except the "Good Ole" rumor mill.

BL and the rest of ASA "Mis Management" must be doing x-mas shopping instead of ironing out the details.. oh, I bet that's already done. They are just waiting until the last minute to say "Surprse, Screw you guys".

I 'll bet he and the rest of his VeePees get special DAL passes, so who cares about the "Working" class. Yeah, I'm pissed. I know this is already worked out, they don't know how to, or not willing to tell how we are "Getting it broken off in our a$$".

Tell us already.

 

[Tim47SIP]

SSDD is correct!

Why would you get lower priority on your own flights than Skywest and Chautauqua have on theirs?. You will be S3's on your flights and S3C's on everybody else's. DL people will continue to be S3's on their flights and S3C's on the connection carriers.

Delta has owned the seats on Skywest and Crappytaco for a while. Their employees have priority over other employees on their specific aircraft. ASA has always flown at a less priority than SkyWest's freinds and familly (S4B) even though Delta owned the seats. I know, this happened to me several times and there was nothing I could do about it. I seriously doubt that this will change. What we will lose is our S2 and S3 passes on mainline.

But you never know!


I've never noticed it before. But I really never looked that section in detail before. I've been on MIL Leave since Jun 04 and been to Iraq and back since. I've had no real need to look until recently. It could have always been there and I've never noticed. I'll be the first to admit I never really looked, so if it appears I'm a "Doomsayer", I never intended it.

So, are you trying to tell us that you never noticed?

Check your PM!

 

[ifly4food]

Palmetto Pilot,

I agree do not take it out on the pilot. The company is at fault not the pilot.

No, it's the pilots. This was in the "Roar from 44":

"I wonder if our former "wholly owned subsidiary" is going to retain date-of-hire passes and continue to bump hard-working Delta folks off their own airplanes?"

Real cute, huh? Thanks "DALPA". With friends like these, who needs enemies?

IOW, the Delta pilots pushed for this and got it.

 

[737 Pylt]

No, it's the pilots. This was in the "Roar from 44":

"I wonder if our former "wholly owned subsidiary" is going to retain date-of-hire passes and continue to bump hard-working Delta folks off their own airplanes?"

Real cute, huh? Thanks "DALPA". With friends like these, who needs enemies?

IOW, the Delta pilots pushed for this and got it.

I responded to this under the "roar 44 thread."

If you're no longer a wholly owned subsidiary, then sorry to say, but the time has come to lose those "date of hire" pass priveliges! BTW, nobody tried to push for you to "lose your flight benefits," but just the DOH!
737

How bout we respond by consistently denying the jumpseat to mainline.
"Sorry buddy, we're overweight."

You most definately don't commute. Let's not start any jumpseat wars. Past history has shown that NOBODY wins in a jumpseat war!
737

 

[Phony Marconi]

Read carefully...

What's the latest on our flight privileges?

Back in September, we told you that we had a 90-day window during which our travel privileges would remain unchanged. I know everyone is watching the Dec. 8 date closely – in fact, I’m getting countdown reminders pretty frequently these days. This issue is still at the top of our priority list, and as we continue our negotiations, I ask that you be patient.
I know everyone wants to have a final decision, but as I mentioned recently in our front-line meetings, each day that goes by gives us an opportunity to build a better pass travel package for you. Rest assured as soon as our discussions are complete and the details finalized, we will share this information with everyone. But until we make an official announcement – even if it's after Dec. 8 – your travel privileges will continue unchanged.
Answered by Bryan LaBrecque – President and COO

-->Obviously crafted with one goal:

To stem the tide of attrition/sick calls which would be happening right now if people knew the truth.

With whom are they "negotiating"?? Delta? The sale is final, the details are set. They just haven't told us.