ASA Travel Benefits

[SSDD]

Suppossedly the rumor goes...

 

[jetstream]

There is no global conspiracy to screw ASA.

Would you please call the ASA General Office and pass that on to them?

Thanks!

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

What I hear from very reliable sources is that ASA management will continue to get S2/S3 (along with a supply of S1, as they secretly have now) while everyone else will be bumped to S3C.

Supposedly, the Skywest deal included various options as to how flight benefits would be structured going forward, with their costs already determined before the deal was finalised. There are no "ongoing negotiations" as they would have us believe.

We continue our S2/S3 benefits now, at company expense, only because the immediate cost of massive attrition far outweighs the short-term cost of the higher flight priorities.

As soon as the shrinkage of our flight schedule will allow for massive attrition, they will change our flight benefits immediately. Not "July 1, 2006", as the unofficial info leak has us believing. In fact, that is a clever tactical maneuver to shrink the workforce without layoffs/furloughs: disgruntled employees leave while satisfied workers stay.

 

[wms]

Just noticed on Travelnet under my account, they've added another column S3C. It's coming....

I don't know about everyone else, but I've always had an S3c column, I used to check it when I non-revved on SKW and ACA.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Never noticed before

I don't know about everyone else, but I've always had an S3c column, I used to check it when I non-revved on SKW and ACA.

WMS,

I've never noticed it before. But I really never looked that section in detail before. I've been on MIL Leave since Jun 04 and been to Iraq and back since. I've had no real need to look until recently. It could have always been there and I've never noticed. I'll be the first to admit I never really looked, so if it appears I'm a "Doomsayer", I never intended it.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Travel Benefits

20 more days left until the 90 day "stays the same" benefits run out. There still is no word, except the "Good Ole" rumor mill.

BL and the rest of ASA "Mis Management" must be doing x-mas shopping instead of ironing out the details.. oh, I bet that's already done. They are just waiting until the last minute to say "Surprse, Screw you guys".

I 'll bet he and the rest of his VeePees get special DAL passes, so who cares about the "Working" class. Yeah, I'm pissed. I know this is already worked out, they don't know how to, or not willing to tell how we are "Getting it broken off in our a$$".

Tell us already.

 

[Tim47SIP]

SSDD is correct!

Why would you get lower priority on your own flights than Skywest and Chautauqua have on theirs?. You will be S3's on your flights and S3C's on everybody else's. DL people will continue to be S3's on their flights and S3C's on the connection carriers.

Delta has owned the seats on Skywest and Crappytaco for a while. Their employees have priority over other employees on their specific aircraft. ASA has always flown at a less priority than SkyWest's freinds and familly (S4B) even though Delta owned the seats. I know, this happened to me several times and there was nothing I could do about it. I seriously doubt that this will change. What we will lose is our S2 and S3 passes on mainline.

But you never know!


I've never noticed it before. But I really never looked that section in detail before. I've been on MIL Leave since Jun 04 and been to Iraq and back since. I've had no real need to look until recently. It could have always been there and I've never noticed. I'll be the first to admit I never really looked, so if it appears I'm a "Doomsayer", I never intended it.

So, are you trying to tell us that you never noticed?

Check your PM!

 

[ifly4food]

Palmetto Pilot,

I agree do not take it out on the pilot. The company is at fault not the pilot.

No, it's the pilots. This was in the "Roar from 44":

"I wonder if our former "wholly owned subsidiary" is going to retain date-of-hire passes and continue to bump hard-working Delta folks off their own airplanes?"

Real cute, huh? Thanks "DALPA". With friends like these, who needs enemies?

IOW, the Delta pilots pushed for this and got it.

 

[737 Pylt]

No, it's the pilots. This was in the "Roar from 44":

"I wonder if our former "wholly owned subsidiary" is going to retain date-of-hire passes and continue to bump hard-working Delta folks off their own airplanes?"

Real cute, huh? Thanks "DALPA". With friends like these, who needs enemies?

IOW, the Delta pilots pushed for this and got it.

I responded to this under the "roar 44 thread."

If you're no longer a wholly owned subsidiary, then sorry to say, but the time has come to lose those "date of hire" pass priveliges! BTW, nobody tried to push for you to "lose your flight benefits," but just the DOH!
737

How bout we respond by consistently denying the jumpseat to mainline.
"Sorry buddy, we're overweight."

You most definately don't commute. Let's not start any jumpseat wars. Past history has shown that NOBODY wins in a jumpseat war!
737

 

[Phony Marconi]

Read carefully...

What's the latest on our flight privileges?

Back in September, we told you that we had a 90-day window during which our travel privileges would remain unchanged. I know everyone is watching the Dec. 8 date closely – in fact, I’m getting countdown reminders pretty frequently these days. This issue is still at the top of our priority list, and as we continue our negotiations, I ask that you be patient.
I know everyone wants to have a final decision, but as I mentioned recently in our front-line meetings, each day that goes by gives us an opportunity to build a better pass travel package for you. Rest assured as soon as our discussions are complete and the details finalized, we will share this information with everyone. But until we make an official announcement – even if it's after Dec. 8 – your travel privileges will continue unchanged.
Answered by Bryan LaBrecque – President and COO

-->Obviously crafted with one goal:

To stem the tide of attrition/sick calls which would be happening right now if people knew the truth.

With whom are they "negotiating"?? Delta? The sale is final, the details are set. They just haven't told us.

 

[sweptback]

But until we make an official announcement – even if it's after Dec. 8 – your travel privileges will continue unchanged.

That's my favorite line.

$10 says on 12/8 we hear something like this, "Well, the negotiations aren't quite complete and we have a couple loose ends to tie up, but we will have an answer for you as soon as possible. [Insert random phrase about challenges here.] The good news is that nothing will change until we make an announcement."

 

[Jetpig]

I would bet more than $10.

 

[atlcrashpad]

ASA Travel benefits

Sweptback,

That is exactly what is going to happen. They ( Management) are going to wait until the busy holiday travel season is over, thereby avoiding a mass F/A walk out. They are not stupid, they know exactly what to do and what not to do. Especially the rumor of DAL getting S3 on ASA flights and we will get S3C on or own flights. It is a clever move to keep us busy "infighting" while they do nothing.

They also look at this message board and others to see if it is working.

 

[Sinca3]

Mr. Labrecque was in the crew lounge last night here in ATL. He stressed that negotiations are still in the works and that he is spending around 70% of his time every day on this issue. He said when he has a final answer it will be conveyed to all employees ASAP. Also that the implementation of the changes would probably be around 3 months once finalized

 

[flylowman]

How about only one Delta jumpseater...just like us when riding on them. I know for a fact I will deny boarding to any delta employee on my aircraft when I know there is an ASA employee commuting to work. If that don't work add fuel, and nobody gets on.

I am tired of getting screwed..

Stand up for yourself.

 

[wms]

Sweptback,

That is exactly what is going to happen. They ( Management) are going to wait until the busy holiday travel season is over, thereby avoiding a mass F/A walk out. They are not stupid, they know exactly what to do and what not to do. Especially the rumor of DAL getting S3 on ASA flights and we will get S3C on or own flights. It is a clever move to keep us busy "infighting" while they do nothing.

They also look at this message board and others to see if it is working.

Not to mention the above and below the wing employees. Many are immigrants who use the travel to get themselves and their families back and forth.

I don't believe for a second "they're still working on it". They've worked it all out and are waiting for the best time to announce it, just like the buy-out. It was a done deal well before the announcement, that's why 10 minutes after the announcement SKW had the web site updated (no small task). ASA has no fore-sight, but SKW plans well in advance.

I don't doubt that we'll even be S3c on our own planes, it would be the norm around here. If we're not, then it's either because they feared the backlash, or let it leak out that it would be worse than it's going to be so that when we see the final results we'll be happy that it wasn't as bad as we thought.

Maybe it's just paranoia, but after working here for 6 years, I've seen for myself how they do things, and now I just expect it.

 

[catIIIc]

If this does happen, all DCI carriers will be S3C on their own airline, it will not be just ASA employees that are pissed but Skywest, CHQ employees as well. I do not see a priority change just a charge to travel

 

[~~~^~~~]

Mr. Labrecque was in the crew lounge last night here in ATL. He stressed that negotiations are still in the works and that he is spending around 70% of his time every day on this issue.

What? An Airline President spends 70% of his day negotiating pass benefits?

Perhaps he meant to say that 70% of the questions he answers relate to pass benefits.

Anyway, I would take the old system where ASA has higher priority than anyone else on our flights and the Company throws in a couple of positive space passes like we used to get for perfect attendance. After a few months all the Delta employees, especially the commuters, would be begging for a return to the current system.

If our Airline's President spends only 30% percent of his time running the airline, we must be doing pretty good!

If they really degrade our pass benefits there will be a sick out that parallels the day after Company Christmas Party, a Jimmy Buffett concert and Christmas Day all at the same time. We pilots might not be able to pull it off legally, but the rampers.... that's another story. What have they got to lose?

 

[ohplease!]

or let it leak out that it would be worse than it's going to be so that when we see the final results we'll be happy that it wasn't as bad as we thought.

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ding, ding, ding.....we have a winner!

Same thing you can expect on our contract, me thinks....eventually.

 

[601Pilot]

Mr. Labrecque was in the crew lounge last night here in ATL. He stressed that negotiations are still in the works and that he is spending around 70% of his time every day on this issue. He said when he has a final answer it will be conveyed to all employees ASAP. Also that the implementation of the changes would probably be around 3 months once finalized

BL doesn't seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I'm going to guess he is spending 70% of his time trying to understand the new pass changes!
There are probably some big words in there that he has to pass to his secretary to look up on the web.