ASA training dept. rumor

[ASADriver]

Rumor around the training department here is that we may operate under separate contracts because it is getting so ugly between the 2 ALPA groups. Can that even happen? I thought we had come together. What the heck is going on? If what I heard is true about what the Expressjet proposal was for us instructors, I hope we don't combine. I would take a hit based on their proposal.

 

[crj567]

I hope we do combine, but gracefully.

God knows we need a new perspective in our union. I am really tired of paying dues for my screwing. Mgmt. screws us enough-and for free.

 

[Freebrd]

remember it's not how we got here.........and TFAYD!

 

[ASADriver]

I hope we do combine, but gracefully.

God knows we need a new perspective in our union. I am really tired of paying dues for my screwing. Mgmt. screws us enough-and for free.

From what I've heard, I sure don't want their guys running things.

 

[crj567]

From what I've heard, I sure don't want their guys running things.

Really-Could they possibly be bigger shills? I think not.

 

[ASADriver]

Really-Could they possibly be bigger shills? I think not.

The express guys want to screw us instructors and I've been told they just want to fight for the heck of it. They don't seem to grasp reality. I don't think they will be good for us.

 

[crj567]

The express guys want to screw us instructors and I've been told they just want to fight for the heck of it. They don't seem to grasp reality. I don't think they will be good for us.

Maybe not, but the little fiefdom we have not sure as hell ain't either.

 

[ASADriver]

Maybe not, but the little fiefdom we have not sure as hell ain't either.

I happen to like our guys. What's your problem with them? From what our training reps told me, I susport them 100%.

 

[crj567]

I'm not talking about the training guys-they are fine.... The rabbit hole is much deeper.

 

[ASADriver]

I'm not talking about the training guys. The rabbit hole is much deeper.

What are you talking about?

 

[COOPERVANE]

CM...... We have a one man show

 

[FightingIrish]

CM...... We have a one man show

Oh PLZ! Are you really going to blame all of this on CM? How can he be a one man show? The MEC supports him. He isn't on the Merger Comm. How can he be a one man show? If you believe that, then you also don't support your MEC.

Listen, I was there and this isn't going well. There are some big problems and very different philosophies between the two groups. I'm optimistic that things can be patched up, but you don't know the half of what went on. It's really scary how they think on that side.

 

[NotTooBad]

Is the MEC going to provide any information regarding this encounter everyone seems to know so much about?

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

I happen to like our guys. What's your problem with them? From what our training reps told me, I susport them 100%.

From a line guy's perspective, it seems to me that our union is all to happy to give the company what it wants in the form of MOU's and LOA's without the input of the membership. So long as they still get their Union pay, which has gone up lately, they seem to play by Management's book without putting up much of a fight any more. A perfect example is allowing the company to use things like ACARS and an autodialer for pilot notification. I'm all for keeping our company competitive but I also don't want the company to have such easy access to me that they can screw me any time their (short) staffing model isn't working out so well for them.

 

[Baronman]

. A perfect example is allowing the company to use things like ACARS and an autodialer for pilot notification. I'm all for keeping our company competitive but I also don't want the company to have such easy access to me that they can screw me any time their (short) staffing model isn't working out so well for them.

We've had Acars way before ASA and one of the first things we learned was the ACARS was advisory only when it comes to scheduling. It would be a huge step backwards for us to accept that as a form of notification. Autodial? Don't have it, don't want it.

With respect to negotiations, are the XJT pilots asking for too much? For better or worse they reflect the sentiment of the XJT line pilots. We simply don't want to endure even further cuts to QOL and pay