ASA to retire the ATR-72.

[centralpilot]

Oh but now the 300 hour wonder pilots don't have to worry about flying a tprop if they come to ASA. Thats GREAT news!

 

[higherflyer]

Bedford and JO are famous for doing so

Bedford is NOT famous for bidding at a loss. Unprofitable flying is right up there with birth control in his book. He may be a lot of things, but he and RAH are not interested in bidding for unprofitable flying.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Maybe I'll just bid the -700 and fly around the pax that used to ride on Delta Mad Dogs.

Get used to hearing them complain. Passengers really do love the 88's.

It seems like the really short flying - CSG, MCN, CHA, VLD is simply going away. It is not just the cost of flying, but also the facility costs of all the fancy schmancy airports the locals build and administrative costs, as well as a slot in the que at the world's busiest airport.

I am surprised BQK service exists. There has to be some sort of subsidy involved.

In a little win / win, I wonder if Delta would codeshare with ASA / SkyWest while allowing the small jet provider to develop and maintain their own routes? The way it used to be might be better than the current fee for departure way of doing business.

Rather than a seamless passenger experience, just the opposite. Let ASA / SkyWest take pride in their routes on ASA/SkyWest aircraft.

Just a thought because candidly, I think Delta is looking at 777's and China a lot more than they are ASA / SkyWest flying. Part of the problems that exist on the small equipment is likely the result of human nature - focusing the new, big, shiny stuff.

Passengers like the ATR if it is operated & supported correctly. It has a big comfortable cabin, is relatively fast and very fuel efficient. The ATR seems more like the future than the RJ, IMHO.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Bedford is NOT famous for bidding at a loss. Unprofitable flying is right up there with birth control in his book. He may be a lot of things, but he and RAH are not interested in bidding for unprofitable flying.

Good joke, but yes - he will bid at break even, or a slight loss and try to make it profitable through growth (reduced average longevity of crews and aircraft) and performance bonus money.

And - you are forgetting the $125,000,000.00 Bedford gave US Air, plus the $110,000,000.00 offered to fund reorganization costs.

You can call that an investment, but it sure wasn't profit.

After seeing some of RAH's numbers in the early days, I thought they bid too tight to make it and would grow until they went bankrupt. Obviously RAH was right in their calculated risk.

 

[higherflyer]

Good joke, but yes - he will bid at break even, or a slight loss and try to make it profitable through growth (reduced average longevity of crews and aircraft) and performance bonus money.

And - you are forgetting the $125,000,000.00 Bedford gave US Air, plus the $110,000,000.00 offered to fund reorganization costs.

You can call that an investment, but it sure wasn't profit.

After seeing some of RAH's numbers in the early days, I thought they bid too tight to make it and would grow until they went bankrupt. Obviously RAH was right in their calculated risk.

Not a joke. They won't bid for the unprofitable flying-- performance payments are part of the their calculations, but they don't/won't bid for negative margins.

The US $$ were for an ownership interest to protect an existing codeshare (mitigate a potential loss-- not bidding at a loss) as well as to purchase slots at LGA/DCA and terminal facilities at LGA. The contract provided that US would buy them back at a later date for a set price and if they didn't, RAH would own very valuable assets at the airports. Turned out to be a smart move!

Not defending the reverend, just don't like to see anyone compared to Ornstein!

 

[DoinTime]

They won't bid for the unprofitable flying

Hows the Continental Express operation coming?

 

[General Lee]

Well I flew the jet for 3 years prior to the ATR, so I guess I'll survive. Maybe I'll just bid the -700 and fly around the pax that used to ride on Delta Mad Dogs.

Well, if you can pass the RJ checkride you may fly some of the old MD88 routes, like Knoxville and Memphis. Most of our MD88s are now doing old Song routes up and down the East Coast, mostly 2 legs a day. Too bad HHH and the Tiki Hut will be left to Wsurf and PDT, or Lynx if it comes in and does it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Airboss]

Im pretty sure BQK has a gov't subsidity due to the distance to their federal training facilities.

 

[PCL_128]

Not a joke. They won't bid for the unprofitable flying

I'm sure that's what he likes to claim when he sends out his "sermons," but the facts don't back it up. Bedford has most certainly bid at a loss, whether he wants to admit it or not.

 

[DGdaPilot]

They should get the new ATR-72-600s that are gonna start to be built. Mighty ATR with glass cockpit. Can't be that!

 

[BoilerUP]

I don't know what the margin for the CAL flying was, but after the total cost of bringing in a new fleet type (most airframes of which had been in storage) and all the operational issues that operation has dealt with I can't imagine much if any money is being made on it.

Besides, Bedford has made no bones about the 50 seat operation being the foot in the door with CAL, and his hope CAL pilots would fold on scope like a metal chair allowing RAH to fly (more profitable) 170/175s.

 

[John Pennekamp]

It does seem as though the writing is on the wall for the ATR. Of course Delta will put out a proposal for "new" TP flying out of Atlanta. Of course our pilot group will be asked to fly it for less. (No raise for the Bro pilots sound familiar?) Of course we will not.

I think I'm gonna puke when I see some MESA scumbag wasting oxygen in the Badda Bing... uke:

Last man out of the Badda Bing, be sure to steal the remote, shut the lights, and take the plaque down!!!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Well, if you can pass the RJ checkride you may fly some of the old MD88 routes, like Knoxville and Memphis. Most of our MD88s are now doing old Song routes up and down the East Coast, mostly 2 legs a day. Too bad HHH and the Tiki Hut will be left to Wsurf and PDT, or Lynx if it comes in and does it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Oh, don't worry about me. I passed it several times before. I sure will enjoy flying your old routes while you're eating dog in the armpit of Africa.

 

[WSurf]

Well, if you can pass the RJ checkride you may fly some of the old MD88 routes, like Knoxville and Memphis. Most of our MD88s are now doing old Song routes up and down the East Coast, mostly 2 legs a day. Too bad HHH and the Tiki Hut will be left to Wsurf and PDT, or Lynx if it comes in and does it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Glad to see that your still my biggest fan!

 

[WSurf]

Oh, don't worry about me. I passed it several times before. I sure will enjoy flying your old routes while you're eating dog in the armpit of Africa.

Not just that, but the fact that 90% of world can't stand America.

Naw, I would rather stay on my side of the pond with my little tiny Dash 8 that can't get over FL180. I'd feel a bit safer. LOL

 

[General Lee]

Oh, don't worry about me. I passed it several times before. I sure will enjoy flying your old routes while you're eating dog in the armpit of Africa.

I am too senior for Africa flying. Sorry. Jambo.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Not just that, but the fact that 90% of world can't stand America.

Naw, I would rather stay on my side of the pond with my little tiny Dash 8 that can't get over FL180. I'd feel a bit safer. LOL

I think you should stay INTRA North Carolina. You would really be safe then. You and your FO Kooter can fly Boss Hogg around, looking at Daisy's short shorts. Have fun with that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Oakum_Boy]

You know, that would be funny if it weren't the sad truth.

 

[Paladin]

Im pretty sure BQK has a gov't subsidity due to the distance to their federal training facilities.

Brunswick (BQK) is not an EAS subsidized city. The only EAS route that ASA flies is ATL-MCN.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Doesn't make sense that Delta pulls out of its most profitable station, Hilton Head. ATL will have a prop with a widget on the tail really soon to replace the current fleet of ATRs. I doubt ASA would get the Q 400, their heavy mntc reps in mcn and yul are very opposed to the airplane, citing its more expensive than the current atrs. Those opinions could justify a higher bid price than other carriers when it comes to the RFP out for Delta's prop flying. Its already out there.

 

[General Lee]

Doesn't make sense that Delta pulls out of its most profitable station, Hilton Head. ATL will have a prop with a widget on the tail really soon to replace the current fleet of ATRs. I doubt ASA would get the Q 400, their heavy mntc reps in mcn and yul are very opposed to the airplane, citing its more expensive than the current atrs. Those opinions could justify a higher bid price than other carriers when it comes to the RFP out for Delta's prop flying. Its already out there.

Delta will contract that out to the lowest bidder, probably Colgan with Dash-8-400s. They already have a new relationship with Pinnacle (who now flies CR9s for us), the owner of Colgan. ASA will continue to shrink.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BoilerUP]

ASA will continue to shrink.

Why do you gloat on the negative things happening to Comair and ASA?

 

[WSurf]

Delta will contract that out to the lowest bidder, probably Colgan with Dash-8-400s.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Sad but true, however Delta will be affected by the poor service of those airlines.

Good Luck

 

[WSurf]

Why do you gloat on the negative things happening to Comair and ASA?

Maybe because he's a TOOL?

 

[General Lee]

Why do you gloat on the negative things happening to Comair and ASA?

If ASA loses ATRs, they will shrink. Comair is losing 14 CRJ-100s, and probably not going to get as many CR9s. That means they will shrink a bit too. Was I gloating or just stating a fact? Also, this world does need less RJs, that is a fact, Jack. If you don't like that, you have some choices. You can fly Fedex Caravans, apply to a Major or LCC, or live in the boonies like Wsurf and fly Intra N.C. You pick.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[crjskipper]

general, delta is already regretting mesa, pinacle will not be far behind, they cant staff and will be lucky if they avoid another accident this winter. asa will prob shrink a little this year, but after pinnacle begins to melt down as they ramp up, things will change.

delta has over diversified and their regional product has suffered. what do you expect with bottom feeders like mesa and pinnacle in the portfolio. with asa perfermance improving in atl they will be hard pressed to find a better option.

 

[WSurf]

If ASA loses ATRs, they will shrink. Comair is losing 14 CRJ-100s, and probably not going to get as many CR9s. That means they will shrink a bit too. Was I gloating or just stating a fact? Also, this world does need less RJs, that is a fact, Jack. If you don't like that, you have some choices. You can fly Fedex Caravans, apply to a Major or LCC, or live in the boonies like Wsurf and fly Intra N.C. You pick.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Kinda like your other facts.

Delta will strike and Delta will not give up scope relief.

Now I agree that the 50 Seat RJ will be the thing of the past.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I am too senior for Africa flying. Sorry. Jambo.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Or so you say. With your overstated bravado and constant condescension, I wonder if you're really even a Delta pilot.

Tell us, General, where did you get YOUR start? Or did you solo in a B-767?

 

[CFI2766]

Delta will contract that out to the lowest bidder...


Okay folks, this really is proof that Delta truly doesn't care how good the service is. (s)He's right, Delta will go with the cheapest bid. It's been proven time and again that the lowest price point will win every time. With that being a given, How about mother 'D' give it a rest when complaining about on-time and completion factor performance? It's obvious that they really don't care.

One last thought: Is it possible that generally lost and skynation are one and the same? If not that, perhaps they are lesbian lovers....

 

[John Pennekamp]

I think you should stay INTRA North Carolina. You would really be safe then. You and your FO Kooter can fly Boss Hogg around, looking at Daisy's short shorts. Have fun with that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Boy, the General sure does talk big for a 767 gear bitch. Hey, General, I think the captain needs a fresh cup of coffee.