ASA to open new Hub!!!

[John Pennekamp]

I second that about General Irrelevant.

And back to the original question, I predict ASA will be flying out of at least one, and maybe two United hubs before 2008 is over. Most likely IAD, and possibly ORD.

Mesa is on the verge of implosion, and UAL will dump them (for a second time). UAL lifted the no-compete clause, so Skywest can fly for both UAL and DAL in LAX. SkyWest Inc will take over Mesa's UAL flying... SkyWest Airlines will move back to the Left Coast and ASA will cover all SkyWest Inc flying east of the Mississippi.

 

[General Lee]

I think the General is drinking so much Kool Aid he might be in danger of drowning! What a TOTAL IDIOT! If DAL told this fool to go and hold up a liquor store, he would would say "ski mask? Hell, I'll just wear my penguin suit-no one would dare question my authority to rob any store I choose! I work for DAL-By God!"

"Do it Once and Do it Right?" Ring a bell-moron? How about "Bankruptcy-proof pensions" for the execs? What type of honorable company would ever do these things? Let me see.....Delta? Why the insane level of loyalty? General, did they make you the Grand Marshall at the last Gay Pride parade they sponsored?

You are once seriously obsessed monkey-General, go and get a hobby, take a walk, get a dog, do something other than give DAL virtual BJs all day long on FlightInfo.

-Truth is-NO ONE here cares what you think anymore! You have lost whatever cedibility you had by being the biggest excuse-making, rationalizing, pollyanna ever to hit the internet!

People don't care about me anymore? Booo-hoo. Oh well, I honestly DON'T CARE. Anyway, I think I will be right about the parking of the 50s. Oil has a way of getting rid of planes, like our 737-200s. The smaller RJs are next. The larger RJs--CR9s and E170s--can't be added too fast due to the fact that they need gate space which is a limited asset, and we are actually gaining more mainline planes next year to use those assets, even on the domestic side. Maybe you have heard about some of the planes we are getting next year? 9 MD90s and 7 737-700s have been anounced so far, along with some new 777s. Some of those MD90s and 737s will most likely take back some RJ routes. I think that would be wonderful. Bye now Jmoney. (Mr. Credibility himself)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I second that about General Irrelevant.

And back to the original question, I predict ASA will be flying out of at least one, and maybe two United hubs before 2008 is over. Most likely IAD, and possibly ORD.

Mesa is on the verge of implosion, and UAL will dump them (for a second time). UAL lifted the no-compete clause, so Skywest can fly for both UAL and DAL in LAX. SkyWest Inc will take over Mesa's UAL flying... SkyWest Airlines will move back to the Left Coast and ASA will cover all SkyWest Inc flying east of the Mississippi.

Very unrealistic dreaming. United would rather have Republic or Shuttle America (same) flying their nicer E170s than your planes. They will be getting 17 more shortly when Delta replaces, one for one, their E170s with E175s. Mesa's IAD ops could also be replaced by more experienced NE feeders that already provide them 50 seaters--like CHQ E145s or TranStates E145s. They already use them and they are better than Mesa. Maybe you should dream about seniority integration with SkyWest.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

General, it's disappointing that you'd rather see flying going to non-ALPA carriers like CHQ while ALPA carriers lose their flying. You should know better.

 

[JoeMerchant]

General, it's disappointing that you'd rather see flying going to non-ALPA carriers like CHQ while ALPA carriers lose their flying. You should know better.

PCL128, take off your rose colored glasses.... The General is simply expressing the view of most mainline pilots.... They don't care who does it as long as it is cheap, so that there is more money for them..... If they really cared, you would see "brand scope".....

 

[PCL_128]

PCL128, take off your rose colored glasses.... The General is simply expressing the view of most mainline pilots..

Joe, I'm not wearing any rose-colored glasses. I know exactly what most mainline pilots think. That doesn't make it any less disappointing and unfortunate.

 

[scarlet]

Yeah let DAL pay the higher fuel bill on the E-170/175 much higher=coming out of your wallet, not ours !!

9 MD90s(that is nothing to brag about)

General where are you going to be and the rest of DAL when they merge next year....And I can guarantee my source is at the top-if you know what i mean. Right Ohplease you know my source!!!

DALLAS people can tell you I told them in July, that year!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe, I'm not wearing any rose-colored glasses. I know exactly what most mainline pilots think. That doesn't make it any less disappointing and unfortunate.

Unfortunate: Yes......

Dissappointing: Only if you were expecting something different..... I expect that from most mainline pilots....That's why I don't expect much to change....

 

[PCL_128]

Unfortunate: Yes......

Dissappointing: Only if you were expecting something different..... I expect that from most mainline pilots....That's why I don't expect much to change....

I don't expect anything different from most mainline pilots, but I did expect better from the General. He's generally well informed and intelligent, and turning your back on your union brothers is bad form, even if they do fly smaller airplanes.

 

[General Lee]

General, it's disappointing that you'd rather see flying going to non-ALPA carriers like CHQ while ALPA carriers lose their flying. You should know better.

I didn't say I would RATHER have them do it, I think it is more likely. ASA has a terrible reputation in the airline industry due to their performance in ATL, and that will spill over into any new flying they would like to have with anyone else. I never said I wanted non-ALPA carriers to do the job, just ones that will help our organzation, not hurt it. ASA is always in the news, giving us yet another black eye because people think it is Delta, and don't know the difference. That is one reason ASA is slowly being repleced in ATL. Johney Penninicamp should know that all of the krap they pulled trying to get a new contract, which was due to them no doubt, could come back to haunt them when they look for new flying. I think United will stick with CHQ and TranStates---just because they have the planes and have been giving them feed already in IAD and ORD--and doing a better job than Mesa.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I agree. Why not name it SAS or ASS.

 

[PCL_128]

Alright then, straight question: if you had your choice, who would you have do DAL's 76-seat RJ flying?

 

[General Lee]

Alright then, straight question: if you had your choice, who would you have do DAL's 76-seat RJ flying?

Airtran.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

Airtran.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Sounds good to me. We'll get paid our SNB rate for it. Nothing like making more than your -88 Captains to fly an RJ.

 

[General Lee]

Sounds good to me. We'll get paid our SNB rate for it. Nothing like making more than your -88 Captains to fly an RJ.

Keep that up, we will make sure we try to match it or better on our next contract in 09. Just like those Southwest corndogs---keep those rates there please! It can only help us in the long run.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

Keep that up, we will make sure we try to match it or better on our next contract in 09. Just like those Southwest corndogs---keep those rates there please! It can only help us in the long run.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Now you're talking!!!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I didn't say I would RATHER have them do it, I think it is more likely. ASA has a terrible reputation in the airline industry due to their performance in ATL, and that will spill over into any new flying they would like to have with anyone else. I never said I wanted non-ALPA carriers to do the job, just ones that will help our organzation, not hurt it. ASA is always in the news, giving us yet another black eye because people think it is Delta, and don't know the difference. That is one reason ASA is slowly being repleced in ATL. Johney Penninicamp should know that all of the krap they pulled trying to get a new contract, which was due to them no doubt, could come back to haunt them when they look for new flying. I think United will stick with CHQ and TranStates---just because they have the planes and have been giving them feed already in IAD and ORD--and doing a better job than Mesa.


Bye Bye--General Lee

We shouldn't have pushed for a better contract?

It's the fault of the pilot group that ASA sucks????

We are the only thing keeping this place afloat!!!!!

Screw you!!!

 

[General Lee]

We shouldn't have pushed for a better contract?

It's the fault of the pilot group that ASA sucks????

We are the only thing keeping this place afloat!!!!!

Screw you!!!

Thanks, I did last night. Anyway, I never said you shouldn't get a good contract, I just stated that because of the slowdown and the bad ontime performance, along with the bad press for bag loss (not your fault, except those bags falling from your CR7)--don't expect a lot of offers from other airlines wanting your service. The bad press will kill you for awhile. In the meantime, enjoy your pay raise!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Medeco]

The bad press was no different then the last 5 or 10 years. Bottom line, is Delta is the one who looks bad in the end.

Our safety campain went on without the press getting a hold of it, so i doubt that will have a long term effect on ASA.

I would say the ASA name is going away in some form or fashion in order to get past the step child reputation.

Medeco

 

[~~~^~~~]

Bottom line, is Delta is the one who looks bad in the end.

standing by for Flight Attendant jokes...

3...2...1

 

[~~~^~~~]

General Weewee,

I'm not going to speak for Ohplease as he is quite capable of speaking for himself..... However he is going to UPS which is a far smarter move than going to Delta.....

UPS is hiring? According to their web site the window is closed and on the various forums there is talk of displacement bidding, but hey a 81 hour guarantee and year 2 FO pay in:
2008: $112/hr
2009: $122/hr
2010: $132/hr
2011: $143/hr
2012: $149/hr

Plus another $1,600+ over ride for new hires that take ANC. That's great!

 

[PCL_128]

I think Ohplease has been in the pool for a little while.

 

[goahead]

The window just closed in the last month, so yes they are hiring.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Now I'm sure you're salivating at the thought of a loss of airframes and furloughs at Connection,

Vague concepts are beginning to come out about the DCI restructuring and a few carriers are likely going to get booted entirely. Could that result in growth elsewhere, who knows? Could it result in new ASA bases, yes, but I don't think anyone knows yet. If I was a betting guy I might make a small wager on places where large numbers of 50 seaters are operated by competitors. There will be a lot of retire and replace - the 700's/900's are very popular. Brand scope is needed - but due to ALPA's dilution at the Connection carriers, ehhhh not so likely.

At the same time, oil prices are a variable that is getting constant evaluation with plans changing to best match routes and aircraft.

A downturn with higher oil costs favor the 700/900's. The trends are similar to what has been identified in the past.

The only slightly surprising information is that most of the US Airlines do not want to invest in smaller 737's, or Ejets, which will be made obsolete as soon as Boeing or Airbus build a 100 to 160 seat version of a 787 like platform. The demand for this jet that no one wants to build is simply amazing. Between Delta, American and NorthWest there are probably 750 orders right now for that kind of airplane.

Boeing's attitude seems to be that as long as the 737 is selling well, why update a product originally designed in the late 50's and early 60's? Airbus is rather seriously behind the power curve and is getting less competitive as the US dollar falls. Bombardier and Embraer just can't seem to make the technological jump. So everyone is waiting on Boeing. In the mean time it makes sense to outsource a big capital acquisition cost for airplanes that might be obsolete rather quickly.

The flavor of the day - used 757's. Engineered for the last time Boeing thought there would be $3.00 a gallon jet fuel.

 

[PCL_128]

Brand scope is needed - but due to ALPA's dilution at the Connection carriers, ehhhh not so likely.

I wouldn't hold my breath. I've never even heard Prater say the words "brand scope" or "family scope." Doesn't seem to be on his radar. If the DCI carriers want it, they'll have to politic it themselves with DALPA.

 

[~~~^~~~]

True. In this whole 100 to 130 seat jet quandry I like the 717. Shame Boeing pulled the plug on it.

 

[PCL_128]

In this whole 100 to 130 seat jet quandry I like the 717. Shame Boeing pulled the plug on it.

Damn straight.

 

[FORESTGUMP]

People don't care about me anymore? Booo-hoo. Oh well, I honestly DON'T CARE. Anyway, I think I will be right about the parking of the 50s. Oil has a way of getting rid of planes, like our 737-200s. The smaller RJs are next. The larger RJs--CR9s and E170s--can't be added too fast due to the fact that they need gate space which is a limited asset, and we are actually gaining more mainline planes next year to use those assets, even on the domestic side. Maybe you have heard about some of the planes we are getting next year? 9 MD90s and 7 737-700s have been anounced so far, along with some new 777s. Some of those MD90s and 737s will most likely take back some RJ routes. I think that would be wonderful. Bye now Jmoney. (Mr. Credibility himself)

Bye Bye--General Lee

Its painfully obvious that you really do care what others think of you. The really sad part is everyone knows what a truly sad example of irrelevance you are....everyone but you, that is.

Its kinda' like watching old former boxing champs that should have quit 10 fights ago...they don't even realize how "punch drunk" they are....slured speech, incoherent thoughts, slow reflexes, getting the sh!t beat out of them over and over.

Its sad really.

 

[Max Q]

Heard some ASA new hires were offered jobs to be based in LAX. Also heard some pilots up in Canada saw some 900's with ASA paint.

Discuss.

-Brett

 

[gran_fan]

Are you serious?

its only been 5 months since they have left...
i'm conused.