ASA taking over Freedom flying

[TOOL CRIB]

Not quite. If you look at the May bulletin, every one of those routes has a termination date that's either in May or in June. Those routes go to back to F8 on the termination date unless you see "discontinued" in the comments. However, that will probably not stand. Delta will probably change the June flying to ASA by mid-April.

Yeah I guess that's technically right, but in reality I highly doubt they would transfer all that flying for just one month and then transfer it back.

 

[McNugent]

why not? They let us open a base all the way out in LAX just to close it 6 months later

 

[shamrock]

You're gonna have to re-dye your spikey tips. Don't forget to carry your ipod with you either, dude. And no you can't. Good luck with that upgrade.

Trojan

Dammit, how many times have I asked nicely for you to lay off the spikey hair, iPod comments? Hey, I don't wear a hat and I own Oakleys, you got something to say about that too?

 

[B.T.Justice]

You are a bedpan my friend. Mesa pilots are ALPA pilots. You should be hoping for the demise of Non-Union DCI carrriers such as Skywest.

UAL was able for twist the arms of AWAC/SKYW/ACA for lower rates because of Mesa. They had their bankruptcy consultants pointing to Mesa's cost, and saying if they can - so can you. And because of that, I got to start my career all over again.

I don't remember any Mesa guys feeling guilty when they were able to underbid and force out 2 of the 3 carriers. Both were ALPA, and both had much better contracts than MESA. So sorry, I hope Mesa finally goes under, union brother or not. JO is looking to underbid averybody just to get some work, and most Mesa pilots were low time guys looking for a quick upgrade - which didn't happen.

With over 1.2 billion in cash and investments, I don't think SKYW is going anywhere.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

UAL was able for twist the arms of AWAC/SKYW/ACA for lower rates because of Mesa. They had their bankruptcy consultants pointing to Mesa's cost, and saying if they can - so can you. And because of that, I got to start my career all over again.

I don't remember any Mesa guys feeling guilty when they were able to underbid and force out 2 of the 3 carriers. Both were ALPA, and both had much better contracts than MESA. So sorry, I hope Mesa finally goes under, union brother or not. JO is looking to underbid averybody just to get some work, and most Mesa pilots were low time guys looking for a quick upgrade - which didn't happen.

With over 1.2 billion in cash and investments, I don't think SKYW is going anywhere.

Amen. I know it isn't the fault of the Mesa pilots, but their company has been dragging the entire industry down for way too long. Good riddance.

 

[McNugent]

Amen. I know it isn't the fault of the Mesa pilots, but their company has been dragging the entire industry down for way too long. Good riddance.

Oh but it is the fault of the pilots. They voted on their crappy contract, and support the company solely by being employed there. No love lost here.

 

[79%N1]

Dammit, how many times have I asked nicely for you to lay off the spikey hair, iPod comments? Hey, I don't wear a hat and I own Oakleys, you got something to say about that too?

Yea, why don't you wear the hat? Isn't it required by your company? Do you get to pick and choose what rules apply to you, and just the rest of us?
Why not wear tennis shoes and jeans?

 

[PennEagle]

Going back to the thread title .... Does it really make any difference who does this flying from a DAL profitability (loss) viewpoint? How many $/Barrel does it take to make a 50 seater unprofitable?

 

[shamrock]

Yea, why don't you wear the hat? Isn't it required by your company? Do you get to pick and choose what rules apply to you, and just the rest of us?
Why not wear tennis shoes and jeans?

Yes, I do get to pick which rules I will follow, I'm just that special.

I don't wear my hat because I put a lot of time into getting my hair just right and the hat would mess it up. It also doesn't look nearly as cool to put my Oakleys over the brim of my hat as it does to wear them on the top of my head. As for the sneakers and jeans, thanks for the idea! I'm sure if I got both in black I could pull the look off cause like I said, I'm just that special.

 

[USCtrojan]

Dammit, how many times have I asked nicely for you to lay off the spikey hair, iPod comments? Hey, I don't wear a hat and I own Oakleys, you got something to say about that too?

Do you have a tye-dye backpack? Dam you're so cool!

Trojan

 

[USCtrojan]

Yes, I do get to pick which rules I will follow, I'm just that special.

I don't wear my hat because I put a lot of time into getting my hair just right and the hat would mess it up. It also doesn't look nearly as cool to put my Oakleys over the brim of my hat as it does to wear them on the top of my head. As for the sneakers and jeans, thanks for the idea! I'm sure if I got both in black I could pull the look off cause like I said, I'm just that special.

Shamrock, you are special.

Trojan

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Going back to the thread title .... Does it really make any difference who does this flying from a DAL profitability (loss) viewpoint? How many $/Barrel does it take to make a 50 seater unprofitable?

ASA is cheaper because our completion factor and on-time performance is better than Mesa's. Also, we are actively pushing fuel conservation initiatives like Project-APU (which saves a ton of fuel, by the way). If we can keep ahead of the competition in these ways, we will get a lot of their flying.

 

[CFI2766]

ASA is cheaper because our completion factor and on-time performance is better than Mesa's.


I know of the graphs, but where does it say that we are cheaper than MESA?

 

[cfi_greg]

Wait till the W&B function works on the ACARS, it take less than a minutes to complete. Should be online next month.

That program is awsome, it's nice to be lazy.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

ASA is cheaper because our completion factor and on-time performance is better than Mesa's.

I know of the graphs, but where does it say that we are cheaper than MESA?

Better on time and completion factor means that it costs Delta less money to operate the flight, since they don't have to reschedule a customer. Our fixed costs may be higher, but combine more satisfied customers with fuel savings from fuel conservation initiatives, and we may be cheaper overall. In real terms or otherwise.

I didn't say the graphs said we were cheaper. But just think of what the graphs are telling us about the operation as a whole, and how that affects costs to Big D.

 

[shamrock]

Shamrock, you are special.

Trojan

Yeah, that's what they told me when I asked why I had to ride the short bus to school.

 

[CFI2766]

Better on time and completion factor means that it costs Delta less money to operate the flight, since they don't have to reschedule a customer. Our fixed costs may be higher, but combine more satisfied customers with fuel savings from fuel conservation initiatives, and we may be cheaper overall. In real terms or otherwise.

I didn't say the graphs said we were cheaper. But just think of what the graphs are telling us about the operation as a whole, and how that affects costs to Big D.

I understand what you are saying now. I was hoping that there was some hard, verifiable info somewhere that pointed to ASA as a lower cost option than MESA, et al. However, what you are saying indirectly makes a good point.

I suspect that there is a large Excel graph somewhere in the Kremlin that breaks down which of the DCI stepchildren are the least and most expensive. Job security for us means being at the bottom of this list.

Looking around, I just don't see Delta, or any of the other 'parent' airlines, as all that concerned about the quality of the feed.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

....... I put a lot of time into getting my hair just right..........

That solves it, Shamrock is John Edwards.

Dick

 

[USCtrojan]

Yeah, that's what they told me when I asked why I had to ride the short bus to school.

Did you show all those other kids your ipod and hairdo? ;-)

Trojan

 

[JDREsquire1224]

Did you show all those other kids your ipod and hairdo? ;-)

Trojan

Did you show all those other kids Pete Carroll's cashed checks to the pay order of Reggie Bush?