ASA Strike Vote Results Here!!!!

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So 92% of the pilot group feels that working conditions, pay, and treatment are so bad, so oppressive, so slavelike, that they would rather walk off the job, quit, lose their seniority, their schedule, and start all over for another carrier at first year pay rather than continue to negotiate - that is effectively what you are saying by voting yes.

No that is not what our pilots are saying. This was a strike authorization vote. It simply means that our MEC is empowered to call a strike if an agreement can not be reached after further negotiations (and possibly a proffer of arbitatration runs its course).

The pilots have not had an opportunity to vote on a contract.

The ASA pilots have spoken that a contract with no scope, which does not bind our company and which includes provisions to deny First Officers a living wage is not going to be accepted.

Management wanted to take this to the pilots - now they have their reply. I'm hopeful Management will be reasonable, but if they aren't, then we will walk.

 

[ASARJMan]

rather than continue to negotiate - .

Hey, a strike vote does not mean negotiations stop Carl, or whoever you are. Simply means the MEC can call a strike if the time comes for that. Maybe now the company will counter our last proposal, with something meaningful rather the obscene they have already. What this strike vote should tell management is that the pilots support their MEC and Neg Team. Now, whether mgt gets that message or not, or chooses to ignore it, will be another thing. Regardless, I am prepared to walk away, and I've been here over 20 years. I'm prepared financially and emotionally. Are you Carl?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Smacktard]

how are you going to explain to your spouses and your children why you have to sell the house, pull the kids out of school or college, give up the SUV, and go to work at Home Depot for 50% of your current salary - all over $3 per hour by the way - until you can get another airline job for even less money the first year? Hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor - hope it doesn't come to that.

7th post ehh? Not much credibility yet...keep posting...

 

[WWEfan]

7th post ehh? Not much credibility yet...keep posting...

Number of posts doesnt equal credibility. Take General Lee for instance....7,000 + posts

 

[WWEfan]

The fact that we voted to strike doesn't mean that we will. We have simply empowered our MEC to make that tough decision when the time comes. That is certainly not a decision I took lightly because it is far from meaningless for me and my family.

Management now knows how 93% of us feel. The ball is in their court. Let's get back to the table.

 

[Snapperhead]

Adaboy to those that voted (especially with a yes vote). Jerry Atkin will hopefully get wind of this stank soon, and put the pressure on to git r' done. Thanks for the update Cochise!

 

[Tomct]

Firehose...you are a mgmnt troll! You have absolutely ZERO understanding of this whole process. I guess you forgot to read your SPC News that totally explains the whole process. Just go back to your position under BL desk!!!

 

[atlcrashpad]

My MEC speaks for me.

 

[rjcap]

That is not true, I recieved a ballot, and I no longer work for ASA, I am sure that is the case for alot of that 15 percent, and I would have voted IN FAVOR OF A STRIKE.

Same here.

There may be as many as 75 or so pilots who are no longer with the company but still show active and didn't vote.

 

[WWEfan]

My MEC speaks for me.

Yeah, bouyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

 

[atlcrashpad]

Copy dat.

 

[av8er2]

Better get to the table mgt. and come up with a fair contract. We are professionals just like you and we deserve to be treated like so.

Otherwise I guess you don't need our professional services.

 

[ASADriver]

Wasn't it 98% in favor with 98% voting during the last strike vote? This doesn't bode well for the hardliners.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Wasn't it 98% in favor with 98% voting during the last strike vote? This doesn't bode well for the hardliners.

You're a hard liner too. That doesn't bode well for you on the No side of things either, does it?

 

[ASADriver]

You're a hard liner too. That doesn't bode well for you on the No side of things either, does it?

No because there won't be a stike and we will get a deal slightly better than what is on the table now.

 

[flylowman]

lets go getem boys

 

[79%N1]

Oooh, Great......do you think then I'll only have to take a 9.5% paycut, with no rigs and no profit sharing? Sign me up then!!!

 

[Willy21]

No because there won't be a stike and we will get a deal slightly better than what is on the table now.

You will only get what you are willing to settle for. I am willing to bet that the 93% are not going to settle for a deal that is "slightly better than what is on the table."

 

[Gorditas]

I just received an e-mail verifying the numbers. Here is an excerpt from the ASA Connection e-mail.

1. Strike Vote Results Are In!

More than 92 percent of you who voted said you would support the MEC's
decision to declare a strike if the time was right and the
circumstances
demanded such action.

According to the official BallotPoint polling results, voter
participation
was an outstanding 85.03 percent. A total 1,255 ballots were cast
among the
1,476 pilots who were eligible to vote. Of those who voted, 1,163 -
92.67
percent - said they would support the MEC's decision to call for a
strike if
the time came to do so.


I wish that this vote had never been required of us. However, I would rather risk loosing this job to improve it here and know I stood with 1,162 other people that don't want another 7-8 years of the way it is now - well, I guess the paycuts they are proposing would be a change. The option that 92 spineless people voted for - to just take whatever crap they give us and say "thank you sir, may I have another," seems pretty lame. If you won't stand up when we operate with a profit in a place where we have hundreds of daily departures, when will you? If you are waiting for the airline landscape to improve as I have heard some claim, great. Just keep in mind that part of the reason the landscape would improve might be that pilots are flying for pennies! At that point, a 15% raise of crap wages would still be crap wages.


Brian, Charlie, and Jerry; get it together quickly. I have matches, and I'm not afraid to use them! :angryfire

 

[goahead]

So how long till our retarded management tries to dismiss this and tell us that we are still over paid?

 

[Speedtape]

Firehoser (Carl),

You and the rest of the (MGMT wantabe) CP's are overpaid! Your position and salary are not protected under our contract! You are on the seniority list, but you are not one of us! Our operation would run better without any of you, as has been proven through the years. Was your attendance record and occurrences as sterling as the other 2 junior CP's when you assumed the..... (?position?) It's a joke that they attempt to discipline pilots for anything, when they both had enough occurrences to be fired! Their favorite song should be, "Oh What a Friend We Have in Chromer!" as it is rumored that their occurrence records mysteriously disappeared shortly before their appointment. You'll be joining him back on the line someday; all chief pilots do return to the line, you know! Just ask Bubba's Boy!

Since the contract does not cover the C.P. payscale, all of you should take an hourly guarantee cut from 110 hours to 95 hours like is being proposed for the I.P.'s! Wait a minute, that is an insult to the hardworking I.P.'s; the C.P.'s should make 90 hours per month at Brazilia rates, immediately, so the Company can make even more money! Show some LOVE for the Leadership TEAM! In addition, you should be required to work a regular 40+ hour work week like any other self-respecting management suck up! Also, a week's vacation should be a week's vacation (7 days of vacation credit for 7 days of vacation instead of the the 7 days off and 4 days deduction from total that you have now!) Most of us worked over 300 duty hours last month; how many did you work? We stayed 10 nights or more in mostly subpar hotels, sometimes in worse spots than the Red Roof! Speaking of which, is it not a fact those C.P.'s from out west refuse to stay in the Red Roof when they are in town because it is too dangerous? Where's the "I" in "TEAM?" They certainly don't mind that their pilots stay there!

You are out of touch! Come back and fly the line to find out why 92.67%
voted YES!
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Give a C.P. a loaf and he will eat for the day, teach a C.P. to loaf, and he will loaf until they make him a Director of Operations!

 

[John Pennekamp]

So 92% of the pilot group feels that working conditions, pay, and treatment are so bad, so oppressive, so slavelike, that they would rather walk off the job, quit, lose their seniority, their schedule, and start all over for another carrier at first year pay rather than continue to negotiate - that is effectively what you are saying by voting yes. When the NMB releases you for a strike, they also release the company to impose any work rules they see fit - including replacing the striking workers. This is one possible reality - are you ready for it? How will you feel if it comes to that - how are you going to explain to your spouses and your children why you have to sell the house, pull the kids out of school or college, give up the SUV, and go to work at Home Depot for 50% of your current salary - all over $3 per hour by the way - until you can get another airline job for even less money the first year? Hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor - hope it doesn't come to that.

Hint by the way: The 15% who didn't vote are an effective NO vote - they didn't feel the effort to vote yes was even worth getting on the computer for 5 minutes.

You assume they'll work for an airline? The sky is falling.

Bet you,re scared now, SPORT! Too bad majority rules. Now we'll get to see the weak among our pilot group crumble like Gumby here.

 

[John Pennekamp]

No because there won't be a stike and we will get a deal slightly better than what is on the table now.

Hey Biscuit, better run, you're missing the buffet, LOL.

 

[Sinca3]

Are mgmnt pilots authorized to vote. Instructors, Instructor's boss's (Dudley, Sorrell etc.) What about azzholes like B. Sheehan and M. Larson. How bout the chief pilots including System chief and VP of flight ops? If all these people can vote I would put them in that 7%.
Along those lines is our system chief pilot having dues deducted?

 

[titans10]

I hope you guys get what you deserve. However, lets see how many will strike if it comes to that. I hope it does come to that.

 

[Airline RC]

Are mgmnt pilots authorized to vote. Instructors, - Instructor's boss's (Dudley, Sorrell etc.) What about azzholes like B. Sheehan and M. Larson. (Yes)

How bout the chief pilots including System chief and VP of flight ops?
(Dues = Yes) (No voting rights and cannot attend ALPA functions....ie/meetings...etc...still retain all other ALPA benefits)

Along those lines is our system chief pilot having dues deducted? (Yes)

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[BuzzSaw]

I wish that a strike vote had not been necessary.

However, I am ready to go the distance to see that we get a fair contract. We can make an agreement or park the aircraft in the desert. It doesn't matter with me.

It looks like a majority agree with me... I will not be a management tool!!

My experience, knowledge and professionalism cost something, a fair wage......

Congrats to all who stood up and were counted!

Buzz Saw

 

[ReportCanoa]

Are mgmnt pilots authorized to vote. Instructors, Instructor's boss's (Dudley, Sorrell etc.) What about azzholes like B. Sheehan and M. Larson. How bout the chief pilots including System chief and VP of flight ops? If all these people can vote I would put them in that 7%.
Along those lines is our system chief pilot having dues deducted?

Let's hope not. I think mgmt pilots are considered non-voting members or something. Admin pilots I;m not sure.

 

[crjskipper]

i think the only management pilots left besides the cheifs are the three directors and two program managers - oh yeah - plus les and mary.

 

[cbrown1]

Good News, but being the new guy I wonder what happens next? Do we all go back to the table now and try again to work something out or what?