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white knuckle said:
Rambling thoughts about the company and this months schedules.

The company is attempting to hire 40 a month according to recruiters, however there were less lines this month and less block to the published lines (IMHO, at least on the CRJ).

The ATRs are going away, or at least management has advised; why then is the company fat on pilots. Do you think the reason ASA is fat on pilots is due to new aircraft coming soon or just getting ready for the summer schedule?

But if the company is fat on pilots why the premium pay? Just a scheduling mistake that needed fixing?

Express Jet and Skywest have stopped hiring until May, or so I've heard, so this could be a downturn for the next couple of months for all regionals and nationals and hopefully things will pick back up with summer flying.

Could be the immediate affects of age 65 making its way to the regionals?

Things appeared to be getting better at ASA over the past year (especially since the contract was signed) but now things appear to be going in reverse. I hope things revert back in a positive direction soon. I think many pilots were excited to be at ASA with the new contract until this month, there are signs things are now going backward. I hope not.

No matter what happens, it sure beats sitting behind a desk!
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United is going to give Mesa the boot. It's probably a matter of time til Delta does too. Guess who will have the pilots when it's time to fill the void with contract flying.
 
McNugent said:
United is going to give Mesa the boot. It's probably a matter of time til Delta does too. Guess who will have the pilots when it's time to fill the void with contract flying.
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XJT??? Didn't they just get the flying out of NY?

It seems to me that Skywest management has gotten too big for their britches: They lost of LA flying. They allowed DL to put XJT in SLC. They've pretty much have been run out of ATL. They haven't been willing to add another type on the property to work with Southwest. They have filed suit against DL in order to get paid...I don't know, $1 billion in the bank its great, but they seem to have lost their favority child status.
 
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SSDD said:
XJT??? Didn't they just get the flying out of NY?

It seems to me that Skywest management has gotten too big for their britches: They lost of LA flying. They allowed DL to put XJT in SLC. They've pretty much have been run out of ATL. They haven't been willing to add another type on the property to work with Southwest. They have filed suit against DL in order to get paid...I don't know, $1 billion in the bank its great, but they seem to have lost their favority child status.
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Delta would have been stupid to keep the LA flying with Skywest Inc. XJT whored those planes out and gave DAL a deal they couldn't refuse.

And why not allow XJT into SLC? Skywest was the only connection carrier out there. You know how Delta likes variety in their regional feed.

Skywest hasn't been run out of ATL, they're just moving the planes elsewhere. Didn't Jerry say it didn't make sense to have both airlines in the same base anyways?

And finally, if you honestly think something is going to happen with Southwest, then please pass me some of whatever you are smoking:pimp:
 
That is just spin and you know it.

And no, I paid good money for these smokes so I ain't passing them around.
 
SSDD said:
XJT??? Didn't they just get the flying out of NY?

It seems to me that Skywest management has gotten too big for their britches: They lost of LA flying. They allowed DL to put XJT in SLC. They've pretty much have been run out of ATL. They haven't been willing to add another type on the property to work with Southwest. They have filed suit against DL in order to get paid...I don't know, $1 billion in the bank its great, but they seem to have lost their favority child status.
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1. The LAX contract for feed is 2 years, with loopholes.

2. Skywest did not lose lose the LAX flying. The SW airline could not bid it at the time due to United contracts.

3. COEX was awarded the contract due to all of the stated reasons in other posts. They low bid it as it was one element in the plan to establish their "Independence type" operation in California (Ontario). By the way, how is the profitabilty of that operation???? They are rumored to be losing their shirt, shorts, and socks. Bottom line, it is not profitable due for multiple reasons--the low bid is only one reason.

4. ASA, wholly owned of Skywest, Inc., flew 5 planes in LAX for about 7 months for ONE MAJOR REASON! It was a timing issue with the COEX award and a hostile move by the LAX airport. The LAX airport petitioned the Bankruptcy court to release unused gates by Delta so that they could lease them out to other competitors--at higher lease payments. It appears, in an end-around-move, that the ASA operation was designed to be a temporary move to UTILIZE the GATES in DISPUTE, until the start date of COEX in June of '07. It APPEARS, that the strategy worked!

5. No slam on COEX, but it appears that it's bid for the DCI flying out of LAX, was so deficient, along with it's separate "Independence type" campaign in California is losing so much money, that investors are revolting and attempting to pressure COEX to cease and desist such bad business practices.

6. A statement was made that SKYWEST Mgmt was getting too big for their britches for the reasons you stated. Your charges are a MAJOR mischaracterization of the facts. Shame on you!

a. Skywest only bids on profitable flying! Their bids
reflect this goal. Why would any good business
do otherwise? COEX is losing money on the LAX
flying. I would have to say that Skywest was
the real winner in this bid because they are not
bleeding red for shortsidedness! COEX will be
financially weaker as a result, and Skywest will
remain strong--and with more cash on hand!
Can I get an AMEN?

b. Skywest Airlines has not been run out of ATL.
At least one plane was sighted last week.
Skywest, Inc., is still stron in ATL--at least
80% of the DCI, ATL flying strong! What's
point?

c. Skywest doing business with Southwest? Ha Ha
They do have reciprocal ZED Fares! You have
bad info--your supposition is not congruent with
Southwest's philosophy and never will be!

d. Their lawsuit is a "friendly dispute" on the terms
of Skywest, Inc.'s contract with Delta. It
apparently centers around compensation for
cancellation of ASA flights during times of IROPs,
when flights were cancelled by the mothership.
No resolution to the terms in dispute could be
reached by the parties of the contract. The
normal next step is to allow the court to
interpret and define, unless the parties can
reach a settlement sooner. This is just normal
business and part of the process. It is not the
end of a good and working partnership.

e. $1 billion in the bank is more than good for the
size company and balance sheet that Skywest
has! It will allow them to survive, thrive, and
contrive in future opportunites. Cash is King!
Skywest, Inc, did not get in this position by
luck! It is a well oiled machine. SMART,
PRUDENT, and STRATEGIC business decisions
are practiced by a very disciplined group of
Corporate Leaders. They will survive well
when others, who lack the talent and acumen,
fail around them!

In summary, in regard to your COEX vs. Skywest Inc, argument in LAX, an old Chinese Warrior once said, in paraphrase, "If your enemy is destroying himself, DON'T get in the way!"

My words: Just be there to pick up the pieces--for future opportunities with less competition or a weaker competitior!
 
Speedtape said:
1. The LAX contract for feed is 2 years, with loopholes.

2. Skywest did not lose lose the LAX flying. The SW airline could not bid it at the time due to United contracts.

3. COEX was awarded the contract due to all of the stated reasons in other posts. They low bid it as it was one element in the plan to establish their "Independence type" operation in California (Ontario). By the way, how is the profitabilty of that operation???? They are rumored to be losing their shirt, shorts, and socks. Bottom line, it is not profitable due for multiple reasons--the low bid is only one reason.

4. ASA, wholly owned of Skywest, Inc., flew 5 planes in LAX for about 7 months for ONE MAJOR REASON! It was a timing issue with the COEX award and a hostile move by the LAX airport. The LAX airport petitioned the Bankruptcy court to release unused gates by Delta so that they could lease them out to other competitors--at higher lease payments. It appears, in an end-around-move, that the ASA operation was designed to be a temporary move to UTILIZE the GATES in DISPUTE, until the start date of COEX in June of '07. It APPEARS, that the strategy worked!

5. No slam on COEX, but it appears that it's bid for the DCI flying out of LAX, was so deficient, along with it's separate "Independence type" campaign in California is losing so much money, that investors are revolting and attempting to pressure COEX to cease and desist such bad business practices.

6. A statement was made that SKYWEST Mgmt was getting too big for their britches for the reasons you stated. Your charges are a MAJOR mischaracterization of the facts. Shame on you!

a. Skywest only bids on profitable flying! Their bids
reflect this goal. Why would any good business
do otherwise? COEX is losing money on the LAX
flying. I would have to say that Skywest was
the real winner in this bid because they are not
bleeding red for shortsidedness! COEX will be
financially weaker as a result, and Skywest will
remain strong--and with more cash on hand!
Can I get an AMEN?

b. Skywest Airlines has not been run out of ATL.
At least one plane was sighted last week.
Skywest, Inc., is still stron in ATL--at least
80% of the DCI, ATL flying strong! What's
point?

c. Skywest doing business with Southwest? Ha Ha
They do have reciprocal ZED Fares! You have
bad info--your supposition is not congruent with
Southwest's philosophy and never will be!

d. Their lawsuit is a "friendly dispute" on the terms
of Skywest, Inc.'s contract with Delta. It
apparently centers around compensation for
cancellation of ASA flights during times of IROPs,
when flights were cancelled by the mothership.
No resolution to the terms in dispute could be
reached by the parties of the contract. The
normal next step is to allow the court to
interpret and define, unless the parties can
reach a settlement sooner. This is just normal
business and part of the process. It is not the
end of a good and working partnership.

e. $1 billion in the bank is more than good for the
size company and balance sheet that Skywest
has! It will allow them to survive, thrive, and
contrive in future opportunites. Cash is King!
Skywest, Inc, did not get in this position by
luck! It is a well oiled machine. SMART,
PRUDENT, and STRATEGIC business decisions
are practiced by a very disciplined group of
Corporate Leaders. They will survive well
when others, who lack the talent and acumen,
fail around them!

In summary, in regard to your COEX vs. Skywest Inc, argument in LAX, an old Chinese Warrior once said, in paraphrase, "If your enemy is destroying himself, DON'T get in the way!"

My words: Just be there to pick up the pieces--for future opportunities with less competition or a weaker competitior!
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AMEN!
 
79%N1 said:
Pinnacle leases their own aircraft, not Delta, so I'm sure they will not just hand them over to ASA. They also have like a 15 or 20 year contract with Delta, with options on more 900's. I doubt what you say is true.
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The past week for 2-3 days I saw two PNL 900s sitting over by the old NWA maint hangar. What's the story on that? Can't make revenue sitting there for days.

Hoser
 
HoserASA said:
The past week for 2-3 days I saw two PNL 900s sitting over by the old NWA maint hangar. What's the story on that? Can't make revenue sitting there for days.

Hoser
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Been that way for nearly a month. They look to be just parked in between flights.

Or, they could just be parked there to tick us off.
 
CFI2766 said:
Been that way for nearly a month. They look to be just parked in between flights.

Or, they could just be parked there to tick us off.
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No, they are actually Mesa crashpads painted like a PCL plane. Racks of plywood all over the inside of that thing.
 
Stifler's Mom said:
No, they are actually Mesa crashpads painted like a PCL plane. Racks of plywood all over the inside of that thing.
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Stocked with ample travel size containers of hair gel, along with power strips for iPod charging, & of course hooks to hang up the backpacks!
 
Stifler's Mom said:
No, they are actually Mesa crashpads painted like a PCL plane. Racks of plywood all over the inside of that thing.
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Temporary quarters whilst the old Ford plant is converted into a crashpad to sleep 15,000 to house the new Filipino and Indonesian F.O.s Delta Connection plans to hire for $6 an hour under Contract 2010!
 
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Papa Woody said:
Temporary quarters whilst the old Ford plant is converted into a crashpad to sleep 15,000 to house the new Filipino and Indonesian F.O.s Delta Connection plans to hire for $6 an hour under Contract 2010!
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Get some Filippinas as FA's and DCI would have little trouble attracting experienced pilots.... Talaga!

mabuhay!
 
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so a question from an outsider..is everyone from the prop mafia getting shipped over to the jet...are they putting all the newhires in the prop until August then...sounds like a big CF to me
 
The 900 program that you are talking about is the one that SKW took from us. We did all of the leg work on it and when they were going to get the 900 flying they came to ATL and took what we had done.
It really is no big deal. The differences training from the 700 to the 900 is a two sided piece of paper. You could fly them tomorrow if they wanted you to.
 
ACL65PILOT said:
The 900 program that you are talking about is the one that SKW took from us. We did all of the leg work on it and when they were going to get the 900 flying they came to ATL and took what we had done.
It really is no big deal. The differences training from the 700 to the 900 is a two sided piece of paper. You could fly them tomorrow if they wanted you to.
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No, no, no... You are no longer us. But we do have your seat still warm.
 
I know you have told me. But I think that when the music stops I should be OK. Maybe in NYC on the 88.
 
Funny thing is that I now know why those 757 and 767 taxi so slow.
Seems that if we go over 10 kts in a turn we will knock off the front wheels :)
 
ifly4food said:
Now just tell us why the 75/6 pilots always blind us with the taxi lights, day or night!
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The taxi lights are an indication to everyone (airplanes tugs etc...) that the aircraft is....or is about to be in motion. It lets everyone know day and night that the airplane is moving. And I think ASA is about the only airline that doesn't turn on the taxi lights when the airplane is taxiing. Thats like having your engines running without a beacon on. Every 121 carrier I know of turns on the taxi lights when taxiing.....except ASA.
 
B.T.Justice said:
The taxi lights are an indication to everyone (airplanes tugs etc...) that the aircraft is....or is about to be in motion. It lets everyone know day and night that the airplane is moving. And I think ASA is about the only airline that doesn't turn on the taxi lights when the airplane is taxiing. Thats like having your engines running without a beacon on. Every 121 carrier I know of turns on the taxi lights when taxiing.....except ASA.
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Um, I know I do, and I know it's ASA procedure. Maybe you're confused as to the position of the taxi lights on the CRJ? They're not where you think they are.
 
B.T.Justice said:
The taxi lights are an indication to everyone (airplanes tugs etc...) that the aircraft is....or is about to be in motion. It lets everyone know day and night that the airplane is moving. And I think ASA is about the only airline that doesn't turn on the taxi lights when the airplane is taxiing. Thats like having your engines running without a beacon on. Every 121 carrier I know of turns on the taxi lights when taxiing.....except ASA.
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I understand that concept, and actually do turn my lights on when taxiing. However, I (and I believe almost every other airline) exercise courtesy and common sense to turn it off when facing another aircraft. Apparently you guys manual and procedures override common sense.
 
snap145 said:
so a question from an outsider..is everyone from the prop mafia getting shipped over to the jet...are they putting all the newhires in the prop until August then...sounds like a big CF to me
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It is.

We have been told that the ATR is definitely going away this year. As of now, retirements will begin in July and are scheduled to be 2 per month until they are gone in December.

Most of the senior FOs have already bid to a jet and gotten the award, but have not been sent to class. Those bidding to the -200 have been told by Brian Morris not to expect a class before August. Those going to the -700 have been told to expect a class "sooner". A couple of captains have bid the -200 and gotten the award, but were told they "probably" won't get a class until July, but "maybe sooner". And according to the ATR training department (Jim and Woody) the last ATR upgrade has gone to class, and no more AT7 CA or FO positions will be awarded.

From what I've heard, most of the line holding captains plan to ride it to the ground.
 
ifly4food said:
It is.

We have been told that the ATR is definitely going away this year. As of now, retirements will begin in July and are scheduled to be 2 per month until they are gone in December.

Most of the senior FOs have already bid to a jet and gotten the award, but have not been sent to class. Those bidding to the -200 have been told by Brian Morris not to expect a class before August. Those going to the -700 have been told to expect a class "sooner". A couple of captains have bid the -200 and gotten the award, but were told they "probably" won't get a class until July, but "maybe sooner". And according to the ATR training department (Jim and Woody) the last ATR upgrade has gone to class, and no more AT7 CA or FO positions will be awarded.

From what I've heard, most of the line holding captains plan to ride it to the ground.
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The last statement kind of reminds me of that real old movie, "Dr. Zhivago," where that old cowboy hops on that nuclear bomb in the bomb bay of the B-52, cowboy hat, boots, and all, and rides the bomb to the ground! YEEEEEHaaaaaaaa!
 

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