ASA slowing down?

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Im not sure about overstaffed, I just got off IOE and was given a green line of 86 BLOCK hrs for March. While I was in training they were telling me new hire ATR guys were flying 8-20hrs a month.

And whom at ASA told you that you have a "green line"?....

Wind Check!

 

[777forever]

Um...........No.

Sorry. Nothing ever in the pipeline for ASA. Anyway, if there is anything to get, be certain Skywest will keep it for their side.

Genus I was thinking exactly the same thing. 79% is doesn't make sense to me that Skywest would buy ASA just to shrink it and make Skywest bigger. I would think it would cost more for Skywest to have those planes in their small ATL base than ASA in our large and only base.

 

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Genus I was thinking exactly the same thing. 79% is doesn't make sense to me that Skywest would buy ASA just to shrink it and make Skywest bigger. I would think it would cost more for Skywest to have those planes in their small ATL base than ASA in our large and only base.

And you've been at ASA for how long?

 

[777forever]

And whom at ASA told you that you have a "green line"?....

Wind Check!

Isn't that what they call it when they fill your schedule after IOE when you missed the bid period?

 

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Isn't that what they call it when they fill your schedule after IOE when you missed the bid period?

No. It's called building a line from open time. And if your not availible for a min. of 50% of the month you cannot bid for a line of flying.

 

[777forever]

No. It's called building a line from open time. And if your not availible for a min. of 50% of the month you cannot bid for a line of flying.

Someone told me it was a green line lol. Aight, I was given an open time line of 86 hrs for March

 

[777forever]

And you've been at ASA for how long?

Just long enough to notice that things are improving

 

[79%N1]

79% is doesn't make sense to me that Skywest would buy ASA just to shrink it and make Skywest bigger. I would think it would cost more for Skywest to have those planes in their small ATL base than ASA in our large and only base.

That is precicely why they will grow their ATL operation, to reduce it's costs. Why go to the expense of adding 900's to ASA's fleet (Training, maint, manuals, etc) when they already have the program on the SKYW side? More 900's in ATL mean lower costs for SKYW. Sorry, despite what everyone thought would happen after the contract was signed, I think ASA missed the boat on the 900's, or any additional flying.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

That is precicely why they will grow their ATL operation, to reduce it's costs. Why go to the expense of adding 900's to ASA's fleet (Training, maint, manuals, etc) when they already have the program on the SKYW side? More 900's in ATL mean lower costs for SKYW. Sorry, despite what everyone thought would happen after the contract was signed, I think ASA missed the boat on the 900's, or any additional flying.

From what I've been told ASA actually already has a -900 program. In fact we had it before Skywest. Very easy to add the airplanes to our fleet, no sim, just one day of differences and mx is very similar to the -700 with only small differences (engines, additional fwd cargo door). We could bring in -900's with little effort.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

From what I've been told ASA actually already has a -900 program. In fact we had it before Skywest. Very easy to add the airplanes to our fleet, no sim, just one day of differences and mx is very similar to the -700 with only small differences (engines, additional fwd cargo door). We could bring in -900's with little effort.

We can go steal that Pinnacle 900 that's always sitting over by the old Northwest hangar in ATL.

 

[777forever]

From what I've been told ASA actually already has a -900 program. In fact we had it before Skywest. Very easy to add the airplanes to our fleet, no sim, just one day of differences and mx is very similar to the -700 with only small differences (engines, additional fwd cargo door). We could bring in -900's with little effort.

Took the words right out of my mouth...N1 you might want to rethink your Skywest is out to shrink ASA theory

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I think it's very easy for Delta to transfer aircraft that they own from one carrier to another. Look at the 700s ASA shed to Skywest, and the ones that Comair are still loosing to ASA. If, and I say "if" because I don't know if they own Skywests or Pinnacle's 900s, but it would be easy for them to transfer the airframe from one carrier to any other.

 

[Jmoney]

Here We Go!

I think I can see this one coming a mile away! Mgmt. is about to start discussing PBS with us.... In fact the FA union is all but signed on to the thing-just saw a mailer from their union that was totally "rah-rah" about the whole PBS system and how much great stuff they can get in exchange---SOLD!

As soon as we cave to a crappy PBS system, we will get new planes. No PBS, no new planes-you can bet your bottom dollar we will go for PBS.

I don't like it, don't know anyone who flies for a place with PBS who does, but it is coming....and as weak as our union is now-they would accept it for even less than a couple of new planes.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

You know what, once we cave on PBS, they'll dangle new planes in front of us if we just do one more thing, and then another, and another. If ASA can continue increasing its performance, that's whats going to get ASA new flying. You can bet your boots that management is going to try and get new flying PBS or not. Our operation is already cheap. the LOA in the contract is that it will be discusses, nothing has been inked that we will have PBS.

 

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I think it's very easy for Delta to transfer aircraft that they own from one carrier to another. Look at the 700s ASA shed to Skywest, and the ones that Comair are still loosing to ASA.

Delta had to transfer the Comair aircraft to remain in compliance with the minimum block & flying provisions in the ASA Asset Purchase Agreement.

The 700's (and orders for 900's) transferred to SkyWest were part of a bad faith effort on the part of Jerry Atkin and SkyWest management to break the resolve of the ASA MEC during contract negotiations.

SkyWest, and its subsidiary, ASA, are the same thing in the view of Delta Air Lines. SkyWest runs their own show and does what they want to at ASA.

Delta has pulled most DCI flying down to its minimum levels and is hvaing to pull Comair down simply because that is the only option they have due to the contracts with SkyWest (Republic and others) that must be honored.

 

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You know what, once we cave on PBS, they'll dangle new planes in front of us if we just do one more thing, and then another, and another. If ASA can continue increasing its performance, that's whats going to get ASA new flying.

Not really. ASA's performance has to do with hitting the guarantees in the codeshare agreement that provide bonus money to SkyWest than growth. The only SkyWest growth right now is on the MidWest contract and even that growth is just a couple airframes.

Where are John and Joe? They know this stuff and should be getting the word out, as should your MEC.

 

[79%N1]

Took the words right out of my mouth...N1 you might want to rethink your Skywest is out to shrink ASA theory

Didn't say they are out to 'shrink' ASA. I said, Skywest will take any growth opportunities, etc. for their own side before it goes to ASA.....even in ATL. We have never, ever seen one thing to show otherwise. (See SLC, ATL 900's, etc)

And, even if Delta wants 50's exchanged for 900's, Skywest has contractual language in place to tranfer that flying to their side.......

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Didn't say they are out to 'shrink' ASA. I said, Skywest will take any growth opportunities, etc. for their own side before it goes to ASA.....even in ATL. We have never, ever seen one thing to show otherwise. (See SLC, ATL 900's, etc)

And, even if Delta wants 50's exchanged for 900's, Skywest has contractual language in place to tranfer that flying to their side.......

They do? Really?

 

[79%N1]

Um, yes....They do. Read your contract regarding transfer of assets.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Um, yes....They do. Read your contract regarding transfer of assets.

But I work for ASA. You're talking about a Skywest contract.