ASA proposed pay scale!!!

[HoserASA]

Ok stop with this garbage. Other than PNCL making a smoking hole for no reason who are the bad pilots in the industry.
Seems like every other week we hit a taxi light at BTR. I know it's a little thing but the "best dam' pilots in the business" don't make mental errors on taxi in.

Oh c'mon Crashpad (aka as Dillion?). BTR taxi layout is a big contributing factor here as other airlines have also taxied off into the grass. Really no excuse for running off into the grass, but at least acknowledge that BTR airport bears some responsibility here as well. See ya Wed Bob!

Hoser

 

[HoserASA]

TELL me you guys aren't talking like this in front of management - not during negotiations.

Huck: That's just management (aka Hall,Dillion,who knows who else) making those posts. Trying to scare some of our pilots out there. Believe me, the majority of ASA pilots can see through these posts.

I mean, c'mon, who else would defend CP Kim telling a pilot to just wash his skivies out in the hotel sink with System CP Hall backing her up by suspending the guy for a week. But thanks to our MEC Chair, BA, the pilot in question was made whole again with VP Tutt's help.

Hoser

 

[jetfo]

Why would SkyWest burn $400 million in aquisition costs and then want you to go away? That makes no sense. They just want you to be their Low Cost Biatch. Welcome to the new industry. EVERYONE will get a pay cut.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I doubt SKW wants the ASA pilots or the airline. They bought and are only interested in the flying and possibly the aircraft.

Same as Republic buying MidAtlantic, only with a different twist.

 

[Crash Pad]

Not management. I'm a very pesimistic pilot. I think ALPA is not only stupid (putting that billboard in front of the airport) but also incompetent (see flightinfo.com for the last couple years).
The only reason I like management is because they are easy to figure out. They are trying to make money for the shareholders. I know that if we get too much of a raise we will see our flying go away. Maybe not today or tomorrow but it will go. I know that at DAL, United, CAL, etc... they sit in a meating and say lets fly from point A to point B... they then walk over to the regional store and select the cheapest option off the shelf. I'm not saying be the cheapest but you don't want to be anywhere near top end.
Management has acted the consistently for years. I like predictable easy to understand things.
Scheduling same thing. Easy to understand. I need a flight filled. How can I fill it with the least amount of work. Understand that. You will soon understand how to improve your QOL.
ALPA impossible to understand. Make a pilot like an electrician. I call a teamsters electrician I'm going to get charged a rate. Bing end of discussion. ALPA has allowed companies to use pilots as a competative advantage.
Tell me why do you all take ALPA propaganda at face value. ALPA has been full of sh!t for years. Running around the crew room screaming management this and that. Hey ALPA got a plan? How about you send me another mailing. Put up a billboard... Or how about this stop signing contracts like the one at Mesa. Find out what an RJ pilot is worth. Your a Union find an accountant and come up with a number. Make that the universal RJ wage. I know it won't be Horizon but it won't be Mesa either. Then let the companies sort it out.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Not management. I'm a very pesimistic pilot. I think ALPA is not only stupid (putting that billboard in front of the airport) but also incompetent (see flightinfo.com for the last couple years).
The only reason I like management is because they are easy to figure out. They are trying to make money for the shareholders. I know that if we get too much of a raise we will see our flying go away. Maybe not today or tomorrow but it will go. I know that at DAL, United, CAL, etc... they sit in a meating and say lets fly from point A to point B... they then walk over to the regional store and select the cheapest option off the shelf. I'm not saying be the cheapest but you don't want to be anywhere near top end.
Management has acted the consistently for years. I like predictable easy to understand things.
Scheduling same thing. Easy to understand. I need a flight filled. How can I fill it with the least amount of work. Understand that. You will soon understand how to improve your QOL.
ALPA impossible to understand. Make a pilot like an electrician. I call a teamsters electrician I'm going to get charged a rate. Bing end of discussion. ALPA has allowed companies to use pilots as a competative advantage.
Tell me why do you all take ALPA propaganda at face value. ALPA has been full of sh!t for years. Running around the crew room screaming management this and that. Hey ALPA got a plan? How about you send me another mailing. Put up a billboard... Or how about this stop signing contracts like the one at Mesa. Find out what an RJ pilot is worth. Your a Union find an accountant and come up with a number. Make that the universal RJ wage. I know it won't be Horizon but it won't be Mesa either. Then let the companies sort it out.

Another management shill. Get back to work. There is work to be done at the GO.

 

[Huck]

I'll quit in a minute, but let me just say I think the world of BA. I flew with him a bunch back when we had BAe-146's. An excellent captain and one of the funniest people I've met.

When DAL pulled out of Chatanooga (as well as other places) and replaced MD80s with -146s, the city just came unglued, with editorials and letters to the editor trashing us daily in the paper. One paper editor took it as a personal mission to rile up the citizenry against us, and hostility was in the air anytime we boarded a full CHA flight (Capt. 'Beyull' J. was once chased down concourse T by a mob after he cancelled a CHA departure for weather).

I was taxiing out one morning at CHA with BA, 88 people griping back there and being mean to the FA, when we got a ground hold.

BA's eyes lit up and he grabbed the mike. "Let me do the PA!" He proceeded to tell the pax that we were being delayed because Atlanta liked to meter the flow of traffic from "little bitty towns" into the big city. He put down the mike and we laughed for 5 minutes.

Oh and a few months later they switched CHA to an ATR....

 

[Texx]

Talked to my buddy at CHQ the other day. Happy as a clam. Upgraded on the E170 in a year and a half. Making more than anyone at ASA who has been here for 3+ years. (I don't think we have captains under that)...
My point is this. The only people talking about bottomfeeders and making a stand are us. Check the board I see ASA on here daily but hardly ever see MESA or CHQ etc. So make your stand. They will take your flying and be happy with it. While your job hunting they'll be getting better lines.

A CHQ pilot making more than an ASA pilot and we have to worry about loosing flying. HAHAHAHAHAHA

CMR was in that position and that is now changing.

Remember, it's easy to get to the top. The hard part is remaining there.

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

I believe strongly that this pilot group has no intention of joining the race to the bottom!

 

[jehtplane]

Ok stop with this garbage. Other than PNCL making a smoking hole for no reason who are the bad pilots in the industry.
Seems like every other week we hit a taxi light at BTR. I know it's a little thing but the "best dam' pilots in the business" don't make mental errors on taxi in.

deleted, already mentioned

 

[surplus1]

If ASA can get a release and if you have the actual unity and courage to walk out and stick to your guns, in less than 60 days you'll have Skywest making a reasonable proposal or looking at Chapter 11. Maybe that's what they need.

 

[updraft]

Skip left for a reason

 

[Tomct]

You got that right surplus! They are not used to having a pilot group with a SAY in what happens. When we strike, it won't be for long, Skwyst does not have enough money to lose what....10-12 million a day! Alright, maybe 8-10 mill a day. JA better pay attention from SGU or he might have 160 plus airplanes sitting idle!

ASA pilots ARE UNITED enough to go on STRIKE!! Bring On the Strike Vote Baby!!:uzi:

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Yeah, keep that 19% alive there Hall,uh, Dillion, uh, Tutt????
We deserve more than 19%, but you fail to mention that's an older offer. Let's wait and see what our CNC proposes in a week or two, then you management types can crow all you want. BTW, what's the bonus yall management types are promised IF you can get this done by March?

Freebrd,
I have been supporting ALPA and have participated in several picketing sessions. However, it is your hardcore union attitudes that make me think twice about who I support. I have been here a long time and I believe that things at ASA are moving in the right direction. I believe SKYW management is the best management in the regional industry. I am looking forward to ALPA and managements proposals to move this forward.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Oh and take Avoiceofreason with you!

It's MY UNION also - I believe I pay more in dues than you do. Is this what happens when you question your union?

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Tell you what, I'll take George and John over any of these.

They were assholes but knew how to make money. They were assholes but didnt lie to your face. They would just say tell you to blow. They eventually caved under pressure both from the pilots....Contract '98 and then from Delta....crap performance, either let us buy you or your out and destitute. George and John chose to become richer and sold out to delta...wise choice.

PS the crap performance was due to similar management philosophies that exist today...and alot of the same people too.

If I put all of the information though a fact and common sense analyzer, it does not take a rocket scientist...maybe a Wendy's counter person...to figger out that generally what ASA ALPA is putting out is in my interest and passes the smell test, what LiarBreque is putting out is sheer ass-excretions.

'roadmap' Geeezuz!

Enough said! If you would rather return to the dark days of G&J, then you are truly an idiot. Things are much better now. Some people just can't stand it when things improve - they want that constant union/management battle to continue. Keep it up guys and you will lose more support.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Are you only paying attention to managements shrill caterwalling? It seems so. The original ALPA proposal has been in their hands for almost a year.

Ah screw this......How much do you think is reasonable Mr 'Voice of Reason'?

PS...Save the were all going bankrupt routine. WE are not. So i am not going to behave like we are or accept a BS agreement that acknowleges a non-reality.

We aren't going BK. We are making money. However I also realize that our company only provides lift for two carriers that are in BK (UAL and DAL). Those carriers are going to make decisions on who gets their business based on cost. I don't like it, but that is a fact. What I think is reasonable is irrelevant. What is relevant is what DAL thinks is best for it.

 

[ReportCanoa]

If had been ASA, the safety department would have alleged that they backed in at 180% torque, then continued, after landing without a clearance, with an MP3 player and DVD Display showing Rocky VII. The training department would be preparing slides for publication. At Delta they are much more discreet and professional.

I've noticed that ASA "Safety" is about as low-class as it gets. I can't fathom who gives a $h1t about how a runway incursion happened. People make mistakes, but the "safety" department must justify thier jobs by writing a three-page scientific analysis on why the crew turned right instead of left. The ASA G.O. are a sorry excuse for a redneck hoedown, and a day doesn't go by that they don't make a point of it.

 

[goodto50meters]

Enough said! If you would rather return to the dark days of G&J, then you are truly an idiot. Things are much better now. Some people just can't stand it when things improve - they want that constant union/management battle to continue. Keep it up guys and you will lose more support.

I did not say that I WANTED George and John back, I said I would take them over the management you mentioned. If I were to say I wanted G&J back, well then you would be right, I would be a bonafide idiot. I certainly do not want them back or any of those others.

If you want to ask what I want though, well even if you dont I'll tell you anyway. What I want is a management that values all of us, treats us like reputable companies treat their people, dont lie to me, dont try to game out my contract with the hired henchmen outside attorneys, steal my negotiated quality of life, and last but not least, steal my money with BS payroll incompetence.

The best days were when Dan Waters was VP. That was the closest we have come to a decent management. Of course he got forced out...too pilot friendly and all...

The first shots fired in the battle were and are continually fired by the people inhabiting the GO and their henchmen whom they pay. Peace will break out when they become reputable and act like great companies act.

 

[jehtplane]

The training department would be preparing slides for publication. At Delta they are much more discreet and professional.

You obviously have no idea what your are talking about.

 

[goodto50meters]

We aren't going BK. We are making money. However I also realize that our company only provides lift for two carriers that are in BK (UAL and DAL). Those carriers are going to make decisions on who gets their business based on cost. I don't like it, but that is a fact. What I think is reasonable is irrelevant. What is relevant is what DAL thinks is best for it.

Cost or margin? Delta is only going to pay a certain cost plus a profit. What SkyAsa does with the profit is their business. Using part of it to pay employees is just business whether it is a payrate or profitsharing, even if it is outside the little LaBrecque "box".

What you think is reasonable is very relevant. You have the power to say NO to going below a certain amount. How low will you go before you say no? Is it where your rates are now, or is that number somewhat above or below that?

Seriously, what is your bottom line? Everyone has a price before they say the hell with this and do something else for a living right?

Happy New Year.