ASA proposed pay scale!!!

[US Flyer]

Cost savings

THEY NEED TO LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR COST SAVINGS FIRST. Come to our group last, after you can show me how many areas you have addressed to save money and be more efficient.




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[US Flyer]

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[AVoiceOfReason]

1. Why did I have to see the proposed rates from ALPA on FLICA? Why didn't the union publish them?

2. Why have the ALPA reps. been telling me that we aren't asking for much? If those rates are any indication, we are asking for quite a bit.

Don't get me wrong, I love those rates - however under the current situation, I believe they are as unreasonable as the companies position. I am having a difficult time believing either side.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

ALPA- $45.00 second year FO... How come no one thinks that might be a little high. I get it the company low balled but ALPA was excessive.
I'm shooting for an exact replica of Skywest. I think they have the work rules you all want. For those of you burn it down types that don't have your resume on the street I suggest you shop it around a little. You might be surprised.

Exactly, the company low balled and ALPA overshot. Actually, the way things are going, our current rates won't look too bad after CMR and Mesaba take paycuts.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

ALPA- $45.00 second year FO... How come no one thinks that might be a little high. I get it the company low balled but ALPA was excessive.

CrashPad= Management! That you Dillon? Hall? Tutt? LaConfused?

I'll take Dillon, Hall, and Tutt over Danny, Nelson and Bubba anyday. I guess if you don't automatically believe everthing the union says, you must be management.

 

[Texx]

OK, I see your point. However, if they are indeed up against the wall and in need of completing the contract quickly, as they say.......then, why such a lowball offer. I think that they have been given a number from SkyW and they must meet it or they will turn the screw to us, a la ACA, AirWis, Mesaba and Comair. I'm no management koolaid guy, but I think Im beginning to see they can drastically shrink us and pump in more CHQ, Mesa or Comair if THEY tow the line. Either way, I dont think I'll want to work here anymore!

Why should we take cuts if our costs are already lessthan CMR, SKYW and MESA? Have they shown you our costs in their proposal? No they have not. They know that if they do you will see that we are already at the bottom and you want to go lower?

 

[Texx]

I'll take Dillon, Hall, and Tutt over Danny, Nelson and Bubba anyday. I guess if you don't automatically believe everthing the union says, you must be management.

Hall is in the same class as Chuck T.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Hall is in the same class as Chuck T.

I disagree. Hall came and spoke to our recurrent class and while I can't agree with everything he said, most of it was much better than we are used to hearing. For example, he said captains don't need to call a chief pilot if they don't feel the weather is safe and dispatch is trying to get them to go anyway. He said if the captain doesn't feel it is safe, that is the end of discussion. Definately not what we used to hear, and definately not something Chuckles would say.

 

[Texx]

I disagree. Hall came and spoke to our recurrent class and while I can't agree with everything he said, most of it was much better than we are used to hearing. For example, he said captains don't need to call a chief pilot if they don't feel the weather is safe and dispatch is trying to get them to go anyway. He said if the captain doesn't feel it is safe, that is the end of discussion. Definately not what we used to hear, and definately not something Chuckles would say.

But he didn't give you the complete answer.

You will be contacted by the CP for your side of the story.

So it really isn't the end of the story. You just don't know what is taking place behind the door.

If your worried about this kind of problem you need to grow a set.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I disagree. Hall came and spoke to our recurrent class and while I can't agree with everything he said, most of it was much better than we are used to hearing. For example, he said captains don't need to call a chief pilot if they don't feel the weather is safe and dispatch is trying to get them to go anyway. He said if the captain doesn't feel it is safe, that is the end of discussion. Definately not what we used to hear, and definately not something Chuckles would say.

Yeah, that's impresive for him to say. That's been the policy for the 5 1/2 years I've been here. But you had better have a good reason for thinking it's unsafe when doing your carpet dance.

Hall is too new to this company to be saying the things he is saying. He needs to get an understanding of the whole 3 1/2 yr situation and not just the few months he has been here.

Heard the other day that he was saying the scheduling section was almost complete. However, I heard from our CNC chairman that it is maybe 50% done. If that is almost done to him then we have a long way to go.

 

[ohplease!]

But he didn't give you the complete answer.

You will be contacted by the CP for your side of the story.

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so what if you have to talk to a CP? They're not gonna kill ya' and eat ya'. They need to know both sides of the story so they'll have all the info they need for the morning meeting. I guarantee you they will back YOU up if it is a reasonable refusal. You'd be surprised at some of the things that dispatch/scheduling will tell them when you refuse a flight. Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Texx]

They're not gonna kill ya' and eat ya'. They need to know both sides of the story so they'll have all the info they need for the morning meeting. I guarantee you they will back YOU up if it is a reasonable refusal. You'd be surprised at some of the things that dispatch/scheduling will tell them when you refuse a flight. Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised.

Like Kim, a CP, telling a pilot to wash his underwear out in the hotel sink since a station lost his bag.

Scott has stated that the line pilots are held to a higher standard then his own Chief Pilots!

Yeah, he's smart as a stick.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

But he didn't give you the complete answer.

You will be contacted by the CP for your side of the story.

So it really isn't the end of the story. You just don't know what is taking place behind the door.

If your worried about this kind of problem you need to grow a set.

Actually, I don't have a problem with it. If a CP wants to call me to hear my side of the story before flight control makes up some BS about what happened - that's a good thing. I've said NO several times and never had any problems with the chiefs. I just agree with Scott, that once the Capt. says no, it doesn't matter what dispatch says. I've noticed a change in Flight Control and Scheduling since they went under Flight Operations - and it has been a change for the better. Perfect no, better yes. I've learned that you should praise those who are trying to improve things - lest they return to the old way.

 

[HoserASA]

You go TEXX!


Hoser​

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Heard the other day that he was saying the scheduling section was almost complete. However, I heard from our CNC chairman that it is maybe 50% done. If that is almost done to him then we have a long way to go.

I had a union rep. tell me last week that we weren't asking for much. Now I hear we still have our opener for payrates on the table - a 19% pay raise and the highest amongst DCI carriers. I don't believe either side anymore.

 

[Freebrd]

I had a union rep. tell me last week that we weren't asking for much. Now I hear we still have our opener for payrates on the table - a 19% pay raise and the highest amongst DCI carriers. I don't believe either side anymore.

Yeah, keep that 19% alive there Hall,uh, Dillion, uh, Tutt????
We deserve more than 19%, but you fail to mention that's an older offer. Let's wait and see what our CNC proposes in a week or two, then you management types can crow all you want. BTW, what's the bonus yall management types are promised IF you can get this done by March?

 

[ohplease!]

Like Kim, a CP, telling a pilot to wash his underwear out in the hotel sink since a station lost his bag.

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yeah, just like Kim. She's done a good job if you ask me. Much better than many of the previous CP's we've had. I have no doubt that situation was taken completly our of context. But taking things out of context is the only way for guy's like you to make the situations fit your conspiracy theories.

what would you do if you ran out of clean cloths on a trip? Wear dirty ones? I'd wash them somewhere, and have more than once, even if it was in the sink. Most places we stay overnight have guest laundry or theres a laundry nearby.

 

[Freebrd]

yeah, just like Kim. She's done a good job if you ask me. Much better than many of the previous CP's we've had. I have no doubt that situation was taken completly our of context. But taking things out of context is the only way for guy's like you to make the situations fit your conspiracy theories.

what would you do if you ran out of clean cloths on a trip? Wear dirty ones? I'd wash them somewhere, and have more than once, even if it was in the sink. Most places we stay overnight have guest laundry or theres a laundry nearby.

Darn, how many screen names do you have Dillion, or is it Hall this time??? You obviously don't know the full story on the 'wash it in the sink' episode. And, like one has time or energy, after a 12-13 hour duty day, to go to a laundrymat! Kim, yeah, righttttttttttt!

You management pukes disgust me!

 

[outtahere]

yeah, just like Kim. She's done a good job if you ask me. Much better than many of the previous CP's we've had. I have no doubt that situation was taken completly our of context. But taking things out of context is the only way for guy's like you to make the situations fit your conspiracy theories.

what would you do if you ran out of clean cloths on a trip? Wear dirty ones? I'd wash them somewhere, and have more than once, even if it was in the sink. Most places we stay overnight have guest laundry or theres a laundry nearby.

Ohpu$$y I have just the right airline for you! Colgan Air, they are non-union, merrit gets you everywhere, a good A$$ kissing gets you a long way. You would be perfect for them. Oh and I think they are hiring street captains so you wouldn't even have to suffer as an FO. Colganair.com dude you're there. OH Please get the hell out of my UNION!!!

 

[outtahere]

Oh and take Avoiceofreason with you!