ASA president resigns.....

[FDJ2]

VABB, your argument fails to realize one thing: DALPA didn't want the "small jet" flying, thats why it went to ASA and Comair.

How do you figure DALPA didn't want it? DALPA's opener encompassed the RJ70. By your logic neither ASA or CMR want to fly DL code in RJs, because just like the mainline pilots they have no scope requiring Delta to use ASA or CMR pilots for any DCI flying. Nothing in the DAL PWA would prevent DAL from having DAL pilots fly RJs.

Why are ASA/CMR pilots flying the RJs instead of DAL pilots? The bottomline is they'll do it for significantly less. That's just the way it goes. Wherever management finds an opportunity to outsourse to a less expensive supplier of labor, they'll use it. It doesn't mean the mainline pilots don't want the flying, it just means that management has found a less expensive supplier.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

you (regional) guys like to do ANYTHING to call yourselves "airline pilots". The regional pilots have the biggest egos and the worst attitudes. Why do you think so many of you say "Delta" or "Delta Connection" instead of ASA or Comair? I'll tell you why. You want people to think you fly for Delta but you don't want them to know the reality of what you fly. And Heaven forbid they ever find out how much you make. You are terrified when people use the phrase "puddle jumper". I think you have airframe envy.

This same attitude is the reason you are "stuck" where you are.

VABB;

We all know this profession is based on merit, and that you are where you are because you are a superior pilot.

And us regional guys don't want the chicks to know that we fly RJ's 'cause then they'd know we were sucky pilots (hey, why else would Delta turn down our job app.?).

As long as we can convince them we are great pilots by using deception (for example, I pretend to clear my throat as I say "connection", so all they hear is "Delta"), within 5 minutes, we're naked in the sack!

And I used metallic paint to cover the "Connection", so my wings say "Delta".

It's pretty easy to disguise our wannabe status. I don't see a problem. Why are you so upset?

 

[MedFlyer]

How do you figure DALPA didn't want it?

If DALPA had wanted the RJ flying, they wouldn't have created a scope clause that allowed hundreds of RJ's to go to affiliates (owned or contract). If DALPA had really wanted the RJ flying, they would have demanded that all DL flying be done by DL pilots.

However, DALPA didn't want the RJ flying.

 

[VABB]

My sentiments exactly. But I'm not sure if you are referring to the Peni$ enlargement or the Ego-ectimy. Either way you're more than welcomed to the advise you and your buddies with extremly large wallets and small craniums receive here...just remind us you're here and we'll write more slowly!

We may have small craniums, but our bank accounts are big and fat. And the last time I checked, it was the green that paid off the mortgage.

And what kind of advice would you be referring to? What could I possibly learn from you that I didn't already receive in third grade??

 

[711-24-7]

VABB dude dont be so bitter. We are just working our way up the ladder. I am sure you had to start somewhere. So what if we don't like flying small planes and some of us don't use our regional name when we talk to the bimbos upstairs we are just working our way up the ladder. So we can use the major name when we fly for them. Once everything works out. And to most of us, regionals are still the way to get hours and move on to better places may be like Delta or United when you guys retire and when all of those Airlines do bounce back.


Well the biggest reminder to you is I am sure you started small and worked your way up to the major. ASA and Comair are places for some of us.

 

[VABB]

VABB dude dont be so bitter. We are just working our way up the ladder. I am sure you had to start somewhere. So what if we don't like flying small planes and some of us don't use our regional name when we talk to the bimbos upstairs we are just working our way up the ladder. So we can use the major name when we fly for them. Once everything works out. And to most of us, regionals are still the way to get hours and move on to better places may be like Delta or United when you guys retire and when all of those Airlines do bounce back.


Well the biggest reminder to you is I am sure you started small and worked your way up to the major. ASA and Comair are places for some of us.

Hey, you look like me! Are you from Kashmir?

 

[711-24-7]

No but the same country

 

[gordon24]

But hey, the bimbo at the bar doesen't know the difference between Delta and ASA. At least you get to fly a jet and use your "I'm an airline pilot" phrase around everybody you know. Just don't forget to include the word Connection after you say Delta.

Sorry Dude, I didn't know that fat old bimbo at the bar was your old lady! Oh, please tell her I left my DCI hat under your bed and I want it back. And, sorry about leaving the seat up.

 

[wil]

VABB- Don't get your turbine in a wad! One thing I have learned in this business is that humility goes a long way! You may have a "captain's house" now but a Bankrupcy Judge can change all that overnight.
I want mainline to grow and prosper. At DCI we know our job is to provide feed. We don't need to get in a pi$$ing contest. Most of us would like to move on up the ladder. Cheers, Wil

 

[Tomct]

Man Vabb, you must be one of those guys who complains the intire time he is at work. Don't for get that it is "US LITTLE GUYS ASA & COMAIR" who are paying for your retirement!!! OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!! I mean while you still have it!!

I know plenty of Delta pilots and they are very good friends. The SMART ones know who is REALLY paying the bills and it sho're AINT YOU!!!!!!

And by the way.....NOT everyone wants to work at Delta or United!! We all get tired of hearing how great you guys "THINK" you are....But I will still give you a ride DIRECTLY home!! Oh Yeah, I forgot, the only delta pilot that knows what that means is the 777 and 73-8 guys!!!!!
Peace Out Mashizzle

....Looks like I chose the wrong day to quit smoking....

 

[Palerider957]

We may have small craniums, but our bank accounts are big and fat. And the last time I checked, it was the green that paid off the mortgage.

And what kind of advice would you be referring to? What could I possibly learn from you that I didn't already receive in third grade??

You know, it's comments from VABB and other mainline pilots that are truly insiteful. I have watched mainline pilots dump on regional guys for years. To say it hasn't caused some bitterness would be wrong.

The Delta guys, IMHO, are great as individuals. But, as a pilot group they are the greediest, most arrogant, and self-righteous people I have ever met. It's statements like the above that make the more seasoned regional guys wonder if the world wouldn't be a better place without Delta airlines.

As much as you hate to admit it, DAL needs ASA/Comair more than we need you. IF DAL does tank, it would probably leave all of the regionals with explosive growth and prosperity.

I resist WANTING Delta to tank, as so many lives are at state (other than a spoiled pilot group)...but sometimes I wonder how you fellas would fare if you had to go out and get real jobs.

 

[e120pilot]

Not quite Palerider....

If DAL goes under, we (ASA) go under with it! If you think we can get along without big D, you're mistaken. We need Delta far more than they need us. There is no shortage of RJ operators out there. Many of them willing to provide their services for far less that what we charge. Not that DAL wants to get rid of us, but it certainly could happen. ASA would have a much harder time trying to find someone interested in our 140+ airplanes, than DAL would trying to replace us. The RJ boom is winding down, that's exactly why ACA went on it's own. Time will tell if they can make it work.

Just my 2 cents

 

[General Lee]

As far as Delta "tanking"---if we were to go Chap 11, then a lot of the Debt would be erased, the leases would come down, and they could do whatever they want with our contract and YOURS. If you think you won't be targeted, think again. Your rates will be closer to Mesa's than ours......



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[VABB]

You know, it's comments from VABB and other mainline pilots that are truly insiteful. I have watched mainline pilots dump on regional guys for years. To say it hasn't caused some bitterness would be wrong.

The Delta guys, IMHO, are great as individuals. But, as a pilot group they are the greediest, most arrogant, and self-righteous people I have ever met. It's statements like the above that make the more seasoned regional guys wonder if the world wouldn't be a better place without Delta airlines.

As much as you hate to admit it, DAL needs ASA/Comair more than we need you. IF DAL does tank, it would probably leave all of the regionals with explosive growth and prosperity.

I resist WANTING Delta to tank, as so many lives are at state (other than a spoiled pilot group)...but sometimes I wonder how you fellas would fare if you had to go out and get real jobs.

"greedy, most arrogant, and self-righteous" group of individuals. So, if ASA offered you $200K+ to fly a regional jet, I'm betting you would turn it down because you are not greedy.

 

[VABB]

Sorry Dude, I didn't know that fat old bimbo at the bar was your old lady! Oh, please tell her I left my DCI hat under your bed and I want it back. And, sorry about leaving the seat up.

She wasn't. She's your sister and she said I'm bigger than you and I kiss better. Either you get really drunk a lot, or you are just trying to keep it in the family.

Don't worry about the seat.

 

[FDJ2]

If DALPA had wanted the RJ flying, they wouldn't have created a scope clause that allowed hundreds of RJ's to go to affiliates (owned or contract). If DALPA had really wanted the RJ flying, they would have demanded that all DL flying be done by DL pilots.

However, DALPA didn't want the RJ flying.

Medflyer, using your logic if CMR pilots wanted to merge seniority lists in the event of an acquisition they would have required it in their PWA. If CMR wanted scope over DCI flying they would never have settled with management until they got it?

 

[mkingmei]

2% rule

This is the place (this board) that really proves the 2% rule is true. There are always the 2% of any company that are the a$$holes and make the rest of them look bad. I believe the majority of pilots on all sides of this 3 sided coin want each other to survive.

I love how Scope just gets tossed around like it is all bad and that it has to go, then why don't we get rid of it in our contract and see what happens. The DAL guys are just trying to protect themselves, like we are in our contract.

If DAL goes bankrupt (god forbid...and I mean that) DAL is not going to effect our contract except for some more delays and stalling techniques... so whats new
(2 years isn't enough?). If we were on the seniority list then it would be a different story.
Not bashing anyone, we are all in this together... whatever our wallet size.

 

[Pimpin']

...Your rates will be closer to Mesa's than ours.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

They already are!

 

[XRMEFLYER]

So did our illustrious leader pop smoke?

 

[Palerider957]

"greedy, most arrogant, and self-righteous" group of individuals. So, if ASA offered you $200K+ to fly a regional jet, I'm betting you would turn it down because you are not greedy.

...would I turn it down? No. But I wouldn't be surprised and shocked when my company went bankrupt. I guess I ask less of life then you, all I want is to make a decent wage and have a good QOL. Also, I try to be helpful and respectful of my bretheren regardless of who they fly for or what equipment is strapped to their backside. The wicked snobbery of mainline pilots will come back to haunt them, it certainly make me much less willing to go the distance to help DAL.

General, perhaps DAL will tank, the judge will savage our contract and we will be offered Mesa wages...who knows. If that's the case, then I'm out. I'll let the 21-23 year olds have this profession and I'll head back to my real money making endeavors (something I'm SERIOUSLY considering already).

E-120: I think the flying that ASA/CMR do will always be around, and yes it's possible that someone other than ASA/CMR will do it...who can tell. Again, I don't WANT DAL to tank, but if they do, SOMEONE will pick up that flying. A lot of that flying will be done by RJ's from a mulititude of airlines, and not necessarlily in DAL colors.

I guess I'm just tired of the galactic struggle: Mainline/regional, RJ/widebody, etc., etc.