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IFLYASA

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Don't be fooled into this. Most trips are 1 leg days so you still get paid the same. Any of the higher credit days were not labeled premium pay. Do they think we are just stupid? "Stupid is as stupid does." Calculate your pay before attempting to pick up something. Hold out and these trips will be double time pay. Still, if it's a one leg day, chance are it's still the same pay on that day as double time.
 
Yeah, I thought about picking up a 2 day later this month. After doing the math I figured that it would only change my paycheck by about three hours. I rather have the time off. It must work for some though, trips are getting picked up.
 
Eff em....I hope people don't touch any of it. Make them eat that big crap sandwich they made themselves this month
 
And that's coming next month, as nothing is going to change!
 
All you folks running your mouth about the reserves who were excited to hold a line (after 3 years), bid reserve and fly a couple of THESE in a row. I double dog dare you.
 
I know reserve is brutal as hell, but getting off reserve is no reason to tout that PBS is all that and a bag of doritos. Apparently, it just makes the rest of the group miserable.
 
Few people out there are PROUD of the PBS system as it is today, including those just off reserve. However, the improved QOL for new line-holders takes precedence over the garbage contract language for the time being and absolutely gives us every right in the world to enjoy not having 105+ credit months of day lines, 6 on 1 off, no-pay deadheads, waiting an hour after a trip before getting released, waiting for the crew bus for 45 minutes after sitting 4pm-12am ready reserve, min-rest/max-duty days, and on and on and on...

I hate that I'm working more for less pay but for the time being, it beats the sh(beep)t out of the 3.5 years of abuse on reserve. And anyway, you talk like the new line-holders are the only folks responsible for voting in favor of this crap.
 
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And the trips still don't reflect the accurate credit values. Do the math before you get suckered into one of these.
 
Medeco said:
I dont get why three or four random trips are premium while all those others are not?

Whats the logic?
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They are definately short on pilots. So before they start getting desperate, they are offering time and a half on the lowest credit trips just to get our interest. Trips with just one leg pays the same (min day credit) regardless of time and a half. It's just a trick to get certain pilots to fall for it. If they did this on higher block trips, they would really be paying time and a half, and that costs too much. They are probably saving these higher block trips to be covered by reserves.

As the weekend gets near, they will be drafting to cover whatever they can. The reserves take the rest. Anything else left uncovered, they will get desperate and offer the premium pay once again with last minute emails.

In a nutshell, they are trying to keep the cosst down as much as possible. The problem is, the way they built pairings for March is biting them in the a$$. If the April pairings don't change, riots will follow.
 
Max Q said:
Biting who in the a$$? I'm looking at completion factor and I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.
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It's calme before the storm dude. I have talked to several captains who have been extended. Even my current F/O got a call at home for a draft. If they can cover all open time, then great. The whole point is to keep hourly operating costs down. But at what point does their theory of low trip credits become null? With the extentions/premimum pay, possible cancellations, and pilots flying by the book, I don't see how their logic can hold. An angry pilot group can definately kill performance.
 
Max Q said:
All you folks running your mouth about the reserves who were excited to hold a line (after 3 years), bid reserve and fly a couple of THESE in a row. I double dog dare you.
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What are all of these fancy colors? I don't get it...
 
According to SH, pairings will not change for April. ASA is becoming the new Mesa. Delta has set the rate below what ASA can be profitable due to our high costs. Now, they must run it to the bare bone minimum and be cheap everywhere! They won't even be able to allow us to come up to Pinnacles new contract, because Pinnacle gets paid at a higher rate by Delta, so they can afford a little more. ASA cannot, and the joint contract will be a blood bath.

Look for cuts everywhere. Parts, support, urinal cakes, popcorn, seat cushions, soft pay, printer paper, crew busses, and of course.....asking for pay and work rule concessions! IT IS COMING!
 
79%N1 said:
According to SH, pairings will not change for April. ASA is becoming the new Mesa. Delta has set the rate below what ASA can be profitable due to our high costs. Now, they must run it to the bare bone minimum and be cheap everywhere! They won't even be able to allow us to come up to Pinnacles new contract, because Pinnacle gets paid at a higher rate by Delta, so they can afford a little more. ASA cannot, and the joint contract will be a blood bath.

Look for cuts everywhere. Parts, support, urinal cakes, popcorn, seat cushions, soft pay, printer paper, crew busses, and of course.....asking for pay and work rule concessions! IT IS COMING!
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If so I won't give a dime until management cuts their own costs. Why should we get paid less if they have 2 management teams doing the work of one?
 
79%N1 said:
Look for cuts everywhere. Parts, support, urinal cakes, popcorn, seat cushions, soft pay, printer paper, crew busses, and of course.....asking for pay and work rule concessions! IT IS COMING!
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They can ask all they want. When they really decide to get serious about cutting costs they will merge us with skywest and get rid of a complete set of management. Until that happens they are just trying to screw us to improve their bonuses.
 
79%N1 said:
According to SH, pairings will not change for April. ASA is becoming the new Mesa. Delta has set the rate below what ASA can be profitable due to our high costs. Now, they must run it to the bare bone minimum and be cheap everywhere! They won't even be able to allow us to come up to Pinnacles new contract, because Pinnacle gets paid at a higher rate by Delta, so they can afford a little more. ASA cannot, and the joint contract will be a blood bath.

Look for cuts everywhere. Parts, support, urinal cakes, popcorn, seat cushions, soft pay, printer paper, crew busses, and of course.....asking for pay and work rule concessions! IT IS COMING!
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Sorry, but SH is only doing his job.

Its very obvious to me his job is to start to set the tone for the upcomiing negotiation of the JCBA. He is on a mission to lower expectations and they are going to do it anyway they can.

For April on the 200, I suspect they will tweak it enough to appease those who will listen to the sob story.

This is the same crap that came up when we were in final negotiations with contract 2007.

Remember the note in the box we got from CT about how the sky was falling, and he used some Morningstar article to back his arguement.

Remember the 700's were going to be transfered to Skywest, they transfered 1.

Do not accept the story they preach and call them out any chance you can.

Did we really believe that they would just come to the table for the joint contract and say OK????

I certainly dont think we are going to get a great new contract, but Im not just going to accept what they preach.

One of the major reasons ASA is losing money this year is due to engine maint., it was stated in the last investor call. Brad Rich said straight up, that the cost will be a one time deal and profits on the plane will return this time next year for the life of the plane. Even with the rate reset.
 
79%N1 said:
According to SH, pairings will not change for April. ASA is becoming the new Mesa. Delta has set the rate below what ASA can be profitable due to our high costs. Now, they must run it to the bare bone minimum and be cheap everywhere! They won't even be able to allow us to come up to Pinnacles new contract, because Pinnacle gets paid at a higher rate by Delta, so they can afford a little more. ASA cannot, and the joint contract will be a blood bath.

Look for cuts everywhere. Parts, support, urinal cakes, popcorn, seat cushions, soft pay, printer paper, crew busses, and of course.....asking for pay and work rule concessions! IT IS COMING!
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Oh boy, I might head to Air Mekong while waiting for the geezers to retire...
 
Just tellin ya what to look out for in April. More of the SUCK!
 
Meanwhile every ASA pilot is telling every xe pilot in the crew rooms at ord and IAD what garbage PBS is. There will be no PBS in the jcba because of the games ASA is playing with the pairings.
 
Great! We'll be able to waste ALL of our negotiating capital on PBS...then go back to line bidding for the same crap pairings.

Fantastic strategy.
 
johnpeace said:
Great! We'll be able to waste ALL of our negotiating capital on PBS...then go back to line bidding for the same crap pairings.

Fantastic strategy.
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He's right! XJT will not get the same line bidding they have, and wait until they find out about red arrow days, rendering the swaps/drops useless!
 
I keep asking why specifically PBS has caused this. I have yet to have an answer that actually addresses the question.
 

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