ASA parking planes???

[Medeco]

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Medeco

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Skywest/ASA must do 80% of the DCI flying in ATL, that is by number of seats, not aircraft. What do you think will happen to ASA if UAL reduces Skywest's flying?

MCO ops are being significantly reduced this fall, however some intra-Florida routes will remain. ASA originally took 4 200s to do this flying. The ATRs may, and I emphasize may go away as of Dec 2, 2008. DAL outright owns 4 airframes, leases the other 8.

Also, keep in mind that ASA stopped hiring before many other carriers, including Skywest, Comair, Eagle, Mesa, and PSA.

I think ASA's furlough possibility will greatly depend on who absorbs Expressjet's LAX and SLC ops. Many of those routes will reduce frequencies, others will just go away.

 

[Flybywire44]

Oveur, every indication... including JB says that the ATRs are to be 86'd.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

That may be true, but it is not JB's decision. How many times have they (including JB) said the airplane is going away before? Especially now with fuel and cost savings initiatives, nothing is final.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

The title of this thread is a huge discredit to ASACRJFlyer. You should register the user name Drama Mama.

Like I said in the first post, I'm not a chicken little type or a "Drama Mama" (must admit, that made me laugh), I was just curious if someone knew something the rest of us didn't. 95% of What you read on FI or APC is gossip and speculation but every once in a while, there are some worthwhile posts that can contain valid information. An example would be the sale of ASA to SkyWest, everyone thought that was crap when it was first posted, yet, here we are a SkyWest owned company.

I personally give f.......'s and downgrades a 50/50 chance. I'm ready either way because if we downgrade, I'll be back to some kickin' schedules with weekends off, and if we don't, the money's a LITTLE better and I'm building that PIC time that may be worth something again someday. Gotta stay positive in times like these...:beer:

 

[CFI2766]

Skywest/ASA must do 80% of the DCI flying in ATL, that is by number of seats, not aircraft. What do you think will happen to ASA if UAL reduces Skywest's flying?

MCO ops are being significantly reduced this fall, however some intra-Florida routes will remain. ASA originally took 4 200s to do this flying. The ATRs may, and I emphasize may go away as of Dec 2, 2008. DAL outright owns 4 airframes, leases the other 8.

Also, keep in mind that ASA stopped hiring before many other carriers, including Skywest, Comair, Eagle, Mesa, and PSA.

I think ASA's furlough possibility will greatly depend on who absorbs Expressjet's LAX and SLC ops. Many of those routes will reduce frequencies, others will just go away.

The best/only thing that makes sense in this entire thread.

I could see SKYW filling the XJT void out west, thus, freeing up flying to be done east of the Mississippi.

On the flip side, if UAL reduces the flying, SKYW could very well take routes formerly flown with ASA crews.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Like I said in the first post, I'm not a chicken little type or a "Drama Mama" (must admit, that made me laugh), I was just curious if someone knew something the rest of us didn't. 95% of What you read on FI or APC is gossip and speculation but every once in a while, there are some worthwhile posts that can contain valid information. An example would be the sale of ASA to SkyWest, everyone thought that was crap when it was first posted, yet, here we are a SkyWest owned company.

I personally give f.......'s and downgrades a 50/50 chance. I'm ready either way because if we downgrade, I'll be back to some kickin' schedules with weekends off, and if we don't, the money's a LITTLE better and I'm building that PIC time that may be worth something again someday. Gotta stay positive in times like these...:beer:

We will be overstaffed by over 250 pilots in September. How is this news to anyone? COMA lines will be offered, as will personal leaves.

"Parking" airplanes sounds like we are putting them in the desert. That is not the case. There will just be more aircraft sitting on the ramp by the A-Tech.

 

[spudskier]

We should actually be concerned over will there be any flying in the coming years.

Seriously, step away from the doomsday machine. Every post you've made is doom and gloom. I want you take a deep breath and realize you're ok... enjoy the fact that you have a job right now and that you will for the foreseeable future. ASA has never furloughed anyone and doubt they're about to start now. COMA lines? Maybe, I know a LOT of guys including myself that would gladly take one this fall. I'm 100% certain that they knew the Florida flying would eventually shrivel up into a few tiny pieces and the typical autumn reduction would happen. There's a reason they stopped hiring and upgrading (or maybe it was dumb luck) but in either case, if you're at ASA, consider yourself lucky, many worse places that you could be.

 

[N1VIBS]

ASA never furloughed? I'm probably wrong, but it seems when we closed the MEM base, some people got furloughed for a short period. Yea, I know, some of you young studs and studettes are probably asking, what MEM base.. what is he talking about?? Well, years ago, whe dinosaurs walked the earth, we did have a MEM base, all Bandits if I remember correctly. Any old geezers on here and remember if we furloughed or not?

 

[Copydat]

Someone with a tie on told me that ASA currently runs a schedule equivalent to 110 RJs and in the fall is pulling their schedule down to be equivalent to 85 RJs. ASA wanted to park the extras around KATL and rotate them through the schedule so they would be current and ready for any "ramp ups". Source said he told them "no space available in KATL". Ask for source and stick a needle in my eye and I will not disclose.

 

[Jorgy50]

Just to clarify things. Our contract (ASA) has a no furlough provision. It states that no pilot may be furloughed who is on the senority list at the time of signing. So for anyone hired after that date they can furlough; is that correct? It was signed on Nov. 20 and the last pilot hired before that date has a senority number of 1589. There are now 1731 pilots on the list which makes a possible 142 furloughs (I'm not saying there are going to be furloughs). That's what I see in the contract. Everyone's talking possible furloughs. Am I missing something?

 

[McNugent]

No Furlough

OK now that someone is thinking the same thing as me, here's what the contract says:

J. No Furlough
For the duration of this Agreement, notwithstanding the provisions of Section 23 and the provisions of paragraph 1.E.4., above, the Company will not furlough any pilot whose name is on the seniority list on the effective date of this Agreement except in circumstances over which the Company has no control. The term “circumstances over which the Company has no control” includes, but is not limited to, a natural disaster; grounding of a substantial number of the Company’s aircraft by a government agency; reduction in flying operations because of a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical material due to either governmental action or commercial suppliers being unable to provide sufficient fuel or other critical materials for the Company’s operations; revocation of the Company’s operating certificate; war emergency; owner’s delay in delivery of aircraft scheduled for delivery; or manufacturer’s delay in delivery of new aircraft scheduled for delivery. The term “circumstances over which the Company has no control” will not include the price of fuel or other supplies, the price of aircraft, the state of the economy, the financial state of the Company, or the relative profitability or unprofitability of the Company’s then-current operations.​

http://asacontract2007.alpa.org/Contract_pdf_docs/2008 0229 ASA Contract - Final with links.pdf​

Doesn't say anything about capacity reductions...

 

[79%N1]

Seriously, step away from the doomsday machine. Every post you've made is doom and gloom.

ASA has never furloughed anyone and doubt they're about to start now. .

Oil has never been nearly $150/barrel and climbing every day. This is not some short turn run up by speculators, or some bubble that will pop. This is worldwide global economics. Demand will not be reducing, and until we find alternatives in the distant future, the prices will remain unsustainable for this industry. People cannot afford what the prices will be by probably next summer. Capacity will be cut. The days of 8 flights a day to MEI, LFT, VLD, etc will be gone. I'm just looking at the reality of this, and not putting my head in the 'things will be rosy' sand.

 

[Medeco]

COMA's now listed on FLICA. Pretty sure that is new today.

Medeco

 

[JustaNumber]

Doesn't say anything about capacity reductions...

That's an excellent point. I would have thought that Delta's financial problems/schedule reductions should have been included in the no furlough clause, one way or the other. The way I read it as written, Delta's actions would be beyond ASA's control, so we're screwed. Not that we've necessarily reached that point yet, but I don't think that clause will help us much if it come to that.