ASA Open Time Pickup

[av8er2]

I hear more people saying they are not going to pick up anything.

 

[79%N1]

There was nothing to pick up on Monday. Not one single trip in open time on the 700.

 

[BuzzSaw]

Failure on their part to have a plan does not make it an emergency on my part.

Fight the urge to pick up trips.

BuzzSaw

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They are holding it back. If you look through the lines there are a ton of trips that are not covered.
We lost over 30 last month with at least that many coming in March and a ton in April.

 

[atlcrashpad]

If yo wallet can handle it, don't pick up open time..... Put pressure on dem... 'specially BL and SH....

 

[av8er2]

Exactly, if you can handle your line for pay then just fly that. The pilots don't need to pick up the slack for poor mgt. planning. This is the best thing for the long term.

 

[V1 Rotate]

As soon as they get enough pilots on property and there isn't any open time, all you guys will be screaming that management overstaffed the airline and doesn't know how to do anything right etc etc. Get over yourselves.

 

[ASApuppy]

As soon as they get enough pilots on property and there isn't any open time, all you guys will be screaming that management overstaffed the airline and doesn't know how to do anything right etc etc. Get over yourselves.

It's going to be hard to do that if people continue to not show for class. Who in their right mind would come here? Only those from ATL or have no idea what is going on here. I will give you that those people do exist. I stopped by a flight school in Calif. not to long ago and struck up a conversation with the CFI and asked him what he considered his top choices. He said Mesa and Skywest. He considered them equal. We had a longer talk after that.

 

[atlcrashpad]

As soon as they get enough pilots on property and there isn't any open time, all you guys will be screaming that management overstaffed the airline and doesn't know how to do anything right etc etc. Get over yourselves.

Yo, the Koolaid you been drinkin' dun ruint yo outlook on life... If you can't make it on you line award... you needs ta looks fo uther employments...

 

[crjskipper]

whatever you want to beleive open time is being picked up - i spoke to a relatively senior 700 captain who said he was credited with 120 hours after he traded back his vacation for feb.

most are complaining that they arent getting what they put in for, so despite the flight info tough talk the majority of asa piltos are taking advantage of it.

 

[Tomct]

And yet people wonder WHY O WHY is the contract not done? Hmmm, lets see, we still have too many people that are looking SHORT TERM, not long term and continue to help out this SH!TTY company. STOP PICKING UP OPEN TIME YOU FOOLS. IT IS ONLY HELPING THE VERY COMPANY THAT HAS ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU AS A PILOT GROUP!!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

What can you do about the old buzzards who didn't make jack until we got jets? Now they're yucking it up cashing in to save? a few extra pennies for the alimony and retirement.

 

[Speedtape]

pick it up or get drafted--at least you can have some control

 

[av8er2]

And yet people wonder WHY O WHY is the contract not done? Hmmm, lets see, we still have too many people that are looking SHORT TERM, not long term and continue to help out this SH!TTY company. STOP PICKING UP OPEN TIME YOU FOOLS. IT IS ONLY HELPING THE VERY COMPANY THAT HAS ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU AS A PILOT GROUP!!

Exactly!

 

[buscap]

And yet people wonder WHY O WHY is the contract not done? Hmmm, lets see, we still have too many people that are looking SHORT TERM, not long term and continue to help out this SH!TTY company. STOP PICKING UP OPEN TIME YOU FOOLS. IT IS ONLY HELPING THE VERY COMPANY THAT HAS ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU AS A PILOT GROUP!!

I don't believe the last contract was acheived by pilot's not picking up open time. It took a lot more then and it will take a lot more this time.

If some guys are cashing in when they can, so be it. It's not like we have furloughs hanging in the breeze.

This contract will be GOT when the pilots grow a pair and fly by the book. No sooner and not much later.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

My experience this trip is dismal. We are at least a hour late on every leg.

 

[BuzzSaw]

"pick it up or get drafted--at least you can have some control"

Don't answer your phone.

BuzzSaw

 

[AMANSWORLD]

My experience this trip is dismal. We are at least a hour late on every leg.

I quit ASA last week due to several things. Lack of any type of security in the US airline market. We as pilots have done it to ourselves, along with a impotent union. ASA will never have leadership that will turn this place into a place that is worth hanging your hat on for your career.

I have constantly been late for just about every single flight. The aircraft are not kept as they should be. Both on a cleanliness issue or mechanical standard. Last but not least I am tired of flying with 400 hour FO's. While most are good kids, they lack the know-how and apptitude to complete the job with professionalism.

I quit on the spot last week without a job lined up and I will say this to ANY QUALIFIED pilot out there. There are plenty of QUALITY places to work with better pay and days off. I had over a dozen phone calls in less than 3 days and 5 offers of employment. The one I chose is more than double ASA pays almost triple. And the benefits are paid. Truely, everyone has their own desires with professions and life choices. I just thought I would interject my experience at ASA and how to get the hell out!

That being said I want to say farewell to the pilots at ASA for the most part you guys are a good bunch. Good Luck.

 

[av8er2]

I quit ASA last week due to several things. Lack of any type of security in the US airline market. We as pilots have done it to ourselves, along with a impotent union. ASA will never have leadership that will turn this place into a place that is worth hanging your hat on for your career.

I have constantly been late for just about every single flight. The aircraft are not kept as they should be. Both on a cleanliness issue or mechanical standard. Last but not least I am tired of flying with 400 hour FO's. While most are good kids, they lack the know-how and apptitude to complete the job with professionalism.

I quit on the spot last week without a job lined up and I will say this to ANY QUALIFIED pilot out there. There are plenty of QUALITY places to work with better pay and days off. I had over a dozen phone calls in less than 3 days and 5 offers of employment. The one I chose is more than double ASA pays almost triple. And the benefits are paid. Truely, everyone has their own desires with professions and life choices. I just thought I would interject my experience at ASA and how to get the hell out!

That being said I want to say farewell to the pilots at ASA for the most part you guys are a good bunch. Good Luck.

Did you stay in flying or get out?

Good Luck! Many are right behind you.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Did you stay in flying or get out?

Good Luck! Many are right behind you.

All my offers were still in aviation. Most were excellent 91/121/135 operators home and abroad. Some were buisness jets, crj operator overseas in europe, others were corporate. All stand up guys who hate the way airlines operate and treat their employees.

 

[Edct]

"pick it up or get drafted--at least you can have some control"

Don't answer your phone.

BuzzSaw

That doesn't help much when you're at work! I was drafted yesterday in the middle of a trip for a roundtrip in the middle of my days off. So were several others by the sound of it. Please understand refusing to pick up open time is NOT going to hurt ASA one bit. It hurts only your fellow pilots when they get extended/drafted to cover those trips.

As far as flying by the book: remember goons, that includes single engine taxi, 4 degree idle descents, etc.

 

[crjskipper]

amansworld - dont let the door hit ya. things are far from perfect at asa - far. exaggerating a little on all your wonderful opportunities? maybe a little? but i think its funny that you mention mx and inexperienced fo's, the captains now upgrading are 5-6 year fo's - far from 400 hour wonders. sure the new hires are green but when i upgraded my fo in training had 300 hours - 8 years ago.

i think asa has some of the best mx i have ever heard of at a regional - sure my gear doors are missing more than i wish and i'm 50% on lavs (thank god for 2) and seem to always lack coffee pots but ill take that anyday over fms, autopilot's, fd's and apu's.

when the weather is good im home on time 90% of the time - when the weather sux i expect delays. last week i waited 20 minutes for a gate and my fo was bitchin up a storm - we were 20 minutes early and parked on time. things aint perfect but the grass aint that green either.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

amansworld - dont let the door hit ya. things are far from perfect at asa - far. exaggerating a little on all your wonderful opportunities? maybe a little? but i think its funny that you mention mx and inexperienced fo's, the captains now upgrading are 5-6 year fo's - far from 400 hour wonders. sure the new hires are green but when i upgraded my fo in training had 300 hours - 8 years ago.

i think asa has some of the best mx i have ever heard of at a regional - sure my gear doors are missing more than i wish and i'm 50% on lavs (thank god for 2) and seem to always lack coffee pots but ill take that anyday over fms, autopilot's, fd's and apu's.

when the weather is good im home on time 90% of the time - when the weather sux i expect delays. last week i waited 20 minutes for a gate and my fo was bitchin up a storm - we were 20 minutes early and parked on time. things aint perfect but the grass aint that green either.

Like I said good luck. Have no idea how senior you are FWIW someone will move up a number. We all have our opinions.

 

[av8er2]

How many of you have just told the scheduling to stick the extension and take the occurance? If you have plans don't let them mess it up for you.

Maybe more ASA pilots should stand up and say NO! Enough pilots doing this could make a point. What the heck is one occurance going to do when most pilots will be leaving soon anyway.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

How many of you have just told the scheduling to stick the extension and take the occurance? If you have plans don't let them mess it up for you.

Maybe more ASA pilots should stand up and say NO! Enough pilots doing this could make a point. What the heck is one occurance going to do when most pilots will be leaving soon anyway.

That's not an occurrance, it's potential disciplinary action up to termination. Not telling anyone what to do or not to do, but if you're going to refuse an extension and/or junior assignment you should be aware of the potential consequences.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm pretty sure Delta (and maybe some other carriers) are able to get information on sick calls. They DO ask the question during interviews.

This may be a no win situation for the pilot. The company should not treat you like a slave who has not control over their free time, but standing up could harm your chances for emancipation.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

I'm pretty sure Delta (and maybe some other carriers) are able to get information on sick calls. They DO ask the question during interviews.

This may be a no win situation for the pilot. The company should not treat you like a slave who has not control over their free time, but standing up could harm your chances for emancipation.

Delta will be lucky to emerge from BK.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I'm pretty sure Delta (and maybe some other carriers) are able to get information on sick calls. They DO ask the question during interviews.

This may be a no win situation for the pilot. The company should not treat you like a slave who has not control over their free time, but standing up could harm your chances for emancipation.

Unless you specifically sign something allowing one company to request information about sick time usage from another company, they can't get that information. It's prohibited by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA law). Providing that information without your consent would be no different than the company providing information about your medical insurance claims without your permission. It's against the law.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Might be against the law, in fact you are most likely correct. However, when you interview:

Capt. Swift: So, have you called in sick for a trip on a Holiday?
DL Wanna Be: I don't have to tell you, due to provisions found in the Health Insurance Portability Act of 1996
Capt. Swift: What?
Capt. Swift to his Secretary: Help this gentleman find the exit door. Who is the next person in line? Show him in.
DL Wanna Be: Blocked...Wind Check..I need a ride report... mumble mumble as he walks down the hall towards his 1992 Civic with flight school stickers all over the back

Hey, I don't like it, but I'm guessing this is how this plays out. We NEED to fix this whole random junior manning problem in the contract. Trying to fix it individually only harms the individual. The Company holds the cards due to the agreement our representatives negotiated and we ratified.

 

[rausda27]

DL Wanna Be: Blocked...Wind Check..I need a ride report... mumble mumble as he walks down the hall towards his 1992 Civic with flight school stickers all over the back
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That is funny...