ASA future with Skywest

[enuffalready]

It's becoming more and more clear where ASA's future is with Skywest. Seems it would be very wise to start strongly considering onelist. Without it, we may end up shrinking a la Comair....

 

[SPDBRD747400]

I agree

 

[crj567]

How would you get a single list? The skyw guys voted the union down-remember?

 

[10nCLR]

Boring

 

[Data]

It's becoming more and more clear where ASA's future is with Skywest. Seems it would be very wise to start strongly considering onelist. Without it, we may end up shrinking a la Comair....

Was there an announcement I missed?

 

[enuffalready]

no announcement, not boring, no flamebait....just applying rational thought. I am not a union or anti union guy.... seems we wont get any help from skywest guys to do this, just thinking if we dont ASA may go bye bye. Not today, we have that contract, but we all knwo they can bleed us and do just as the are doing to comair.

 

[Smoke Toliet]

As important as it is for one list it won"t happen for many reasons. One the ASA MEC doesn't seem to care about it. They never make any comments about about. Even if they did I don"t know what they could do anyways. Two, not enough ASA pilots know the importance of it. Its amazing flying with some of these morons. Three, skywest pilots know they will be treated better staying nonunion, even at the expense of ASA pilots. Finally, the most important one, there is nothing the ASA pilot group can offer during negotiations that would make jerry or skywest management give it up.

 

[Plainsman]

Who would control a vote for one list? Does Skywest inc. want one list? And if they don't want one list then why not? I know why alpa wouldn't want it, $, but it would seem skywest inc could lower cost. During that last road show ASA director of maintenance said they were doing an audit on our maintenance program so it would be in line with skywest making it easier to transfer aircraft throughout the system, no one seemed surprised. I think upper level didn't like people flying "to safe" and they will be able to get around it next contract time.

 

[sweptback]

Of course SkyWest, Inc. doesn't want one list. It robs them of the control they have currently. Mind you this control is bad for the pilots, but half of the company isn't smart enough to realize that.

You can only bargain for what the company is ultimately willing to give you. As long as SkyWest, Inc. is unwilling to entertain it, it probably won't happen.

 

[10nCLR]

One list- no way will it ever happen and I don't even have a degree from ERAU or the highly accredited FlightInfo Academy.

 

[Raoul Duke]

The Skyw guys would be stupid to agree to one list. They can get whatever they want by no agreeing.

 

[Nevets]

As important as it is for one list it won"t happen for many reasons. One the ASA MEC doesn't seem to care about it. They never make any comments about about.

That is not necessarily true. They cared about one list during the proposed buyout of XJT by SKW.

I know why alpa wouldn't want it, $, but it would seem skywest inc could lower cost.

Why wouldn't ALPA want it?

The Skyw guys would be stupid to agree to one list. They can get whatever they want by no agreeing.

Skywest pilots do not have a say in it anyways.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

You can still keep two certificates and one pilot list. Look at RAH. ASA pilots need to realize that its operating costs are too high to be competitive with many other companies. Thinking outside the box like this would strengthen ASA.

 

[Speedtape]

It's becoming more and more clear where ASA's future is with Skywest. Seems it would be very wise to start strongly considering onelist. Without it, we may end up shrinking a la Comair....

1. Please, if it is clear to you what ASA's future is with Skywest(assuming you mean INC.), then share some of that crystal ball wisdom with more detail, rather than float some aloof assumption.

2. You can consider one list all you want. Until, and When Inc. decides that is what is going to happen, your wasting good brain cells--your choice. There are very good liability reasons why one list will never happen. A 4 year time line since purchase, and no campaign towards that goal line, is proof, for now!

3. Consider one list all you want, it's not a pilot group decision. Comair is shrinking because they are wholly owned, and the Parent can downsize because of that relationship, versus limited options with the contract carriers. However, when and if the economy turns around, you will probably see Comair be the first to grow, and with the lion's share of growth. We, if you are talking about ASA, have reduced our daily operation activity because we have had our block hours reduced--like mainline and every other Connection Carrier. It is a function of a down economy, and is not permanent. Less demand, means less flights, means less block hours.

 

[Andy Neill]

Does anyone have fleet and pilot population figures for ASA vs SKYW in Nov 2007 and now?
I see SKYW is reporting
21 CRJ-900
67 CRJ-700
140 CRJ-200
52 EMB-120
280 total

ASA is reporting
38 CRJ-700
110 CRJ-200
148 total

In Nov 2007 ASA was around 1700 pilots.

Any corrections/additions?

 

[Gobi Gred]

I don't think big D would like a pilot group of that size controlling so much of their flying. A single list could shutdown a good portion of their flying at not one but two hubs. They weren't happy when Comair did it to just one.

 

[JumpersAway]

I don't think big D would like a pilot group of that size controlling so much of their flying. A single list could shutdown a good portion of their flying at not one but two hubs. They weren't happy when Comair did it to just one.

I don't think Delta really cares about pilot group size as much as they do cost. It's all about the almighty dollar. Also, the Delta MEC has made it very clear that any FUTURE regional flying under the Delta banner will be done by ALPA carriers. It's not done or set in stone, yet, but the movement is underway. Who knows what will happen with ASA. One thing is for sure- if Delta can get rid of us, they will- it's up to ASA's management to meet the cost structure outlined in our purchase agreement. If we fall short of that, we're gone- period. There is no philisophical relationship, or lifelong Delta/ASA friendship or business history that will amount to much. Delta is in this for the money, and not nostalgia. Don't think ASA can be replaced- United didn't seem to miss a beat with the replacement/phase out of ACA or Air Whisky. I'd say that's proof positive enough that it can be done.

On the flip side to the cost competitiveness issue. I'm making what a school teacher makes, without the pension or government bennies. My loyalty is strong with ASA, but it does come at a price, and it's the wage I currently make, and no less. I'll bleed for this company, and most importantly, for it's pilots- my brothers in arms. However, I refuse to run a pilot certificate charity.............

 

[pave driver]

Speedtape,

I agree that it is up to Inc. If they want a combined list it can be easily done. They'd simply and formally ask the ASA pilot group. Any pilot who resigns from ASA can be integrated by date of hire into the Skywest group. Very simple.

P.S. I think a new base is coming.

 

[Speedtape]

does anyone have fleet and pilot population figures for asa vs skyw in nov 2007 and now?
I see skyw is reporting
21 crj-900
67 crj-700
140 crj-200
52 emb-120
280 total

asa is reporting
38 crj-700
110 crj-200
148 total

in nov 2007 asa was around 1700 pilots.

Any corrections/additions?

10 crj-900--

And--The potential for the first all Italian flight crew at ASA before the end of 2009----
quello è magnificient
Nastro Di Velocità

 

[USCtrojan]

I don't think Delta really cares about pilot group size as much as they do cost. It's all about the almighty dollar. Also, the Delta MEC has made it very clear that any FUTURE regional flying under the Delta banner will be done by ALPA carriers. It's not done or set in stone, yet, but the movement is underway. Who knows what will happen with ASA. One thing is for sure- if Delta can get rid of us, they will- it's up to ASA's management to meet the cost structure outlined in our purchase agreement. If we fall short of that, we're gone- period. There is no philisophical relationship, or lifelong Delta/ASA friendship or business history that will amount to much. Delta is in this for the money, and not nostalgia. Don't think ASA can be replaced- United didn't seem to miss a beat with the replacement/phase out of ACA or Air Whisky. I'd say that's proof positive enough that it can be done.

On the flip side to the cost competitiveness issue. I'm making what a school teacher makes, without the pension or government bennies. My loyalty is strong with ASA, but it does come at a price, and it's the wage I currently make, and no less. I'll bleed for this company, and most importantly, for it's pilots- my brothers in arms. However, I refuse to run a pilot certificate charity.............

Jumpers,

Think how much money Delta would save if Skywest Inc. did combine lists (not Companies). They could summarily lower their rates and it would save a bundle over the course of a year and in the coming years. Additionally, how much more can Inc. make by cutting its costs and picking up more and more Contract flying. Nobody will be able to come close to the price Inc will charge. Out of sheer volume.

ASA or Inc. has first right of refusal in the DCI Contract. We can match any competitor to become the 2nd cheapest. I have faith in our mgmt. team its getting done.

Inc. loves their control. But think how much control you get from a pilot group that can live where they want to live. what would you be willing to give up to NOT COMMUTE?

Speedtape, thanks for bringing everyone down to earth for crying out loud, some of this stuff gets carried away!

Trojan