ASA furloughs 80 pilots

[white knuckle]

Of course it doesn't......Not trying to start anything, as stated previously. Again, good luck to everyone.

 

[Bako Cap]

Any thoughts on the 4th quarter profits? 80 pilots seems like an extreemly small drop-in-the-bucket with $700M in the bank and profitable quarters. Will this reduction really help ASA (the company)?

I am fairly pissed right now.

 

[bigshooter107]

The best time is right after I draw a hot bubble bath, turn on some Barry White, and soap up my undercarriage.

Oh...Furloughs. But you know what? We can all stop bending over now. Because here comes management with the coup de grâce...around the fleshy corner with ASA's own version of a DIRTY SANCHEZ!

BEHOLD! THE DOWNGRADES! (coming soon)

Now thats funny.

 

[Texx]

I will personally take a very dim view of anyone picking up open time with Acey guys/gals out on the street. I dunno if this might be a ProStandards issue, or, one of simple common sense, but NO open time. Don't do it. On this subject, it is not just a matter of business; the folks out on the street are pilots. No one will take care of pilots but pilots.


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You want pilots to donate to the pilots on the street BUT you don't want them to increase their flying to help pay for the guys on the street? Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[Tarzan]

Any thoughts on the 4th quarter profits? 80 pilots seems like an extreemly small drop-in-the-bucket with $700M in the bank and profitable quarters. Will this reduction really help ASA (the company)?

I am fairly pissed right now.

Just with min guarantee, you'll see $138K a month. Once you figure in taxes and benefits, the cost goes even higher. When you start figuring in the min line costs vs having less guys with high block, the costs really get out of whack then. When you start talking a million bucks over a few months in this environment, a company does what it has to to keep money in the bank.

 

[FishandFly]

You want pilots to donate to the pilots on the street BUT you don't want them to increase their flying to help pay for the guys on the street? Am I understanding you correctly?

If he is a logical person, yes.

Someone should start publishing who is picking up open time.

 

[Texx]

If he is a logical person, yes.

Someone should start publishing who is picking up open time.

So you want a pilot to go into debt instead of converting opentime into money so that can be passed along to the 80 pilots?

 

[outtahere]

So sorry if I'm cheap to you. Do you have a wife and kids, house payment, credit cards, etc etc...Sorry if you are so rich, maybe if you are so much better off than me perhaps you can pay my $50 and make everyone happy.

Well lets see, Wife, three kids, two car payments, two mortgages, credit cards and other debt, plus I have been on reserve now for 1.5 years and hve never broken 75 hours as a captain. How about you, do you and your family eat out atleast once a month? Go to a movie? Not trying to call you out, but to say you can't give 50 bucks to a guy that just lost his job is pretty pathetic. And as far as picking up open time, no you should not. Its called shared sacrafice. If the company can cover all of the flying because people are picking up open time then there is no reason to recall. If you pick up open time you should have your name on a wall and given to all the FO's on furlough. Nobody likes where we are right now, this is a new area for ASA. Lets try to show some respect to the guys that just got life altering news and atleast pretend like you are supportive.

 

[Texx]

Well lets see, Wife, three kids, two car payments, two mortgages, credit cards and other debt, plus I have been on reserve now for 1.5 years and hve never broken 75 hours as a captain. How about you, do you and your family eat out atleast once a month? Go to a movie? Not trying to call you out, but to say you can't give 50 bucks to a guy that just lost his job is pretty pathetic. And as far as picking up open time, no you should not. Its called shared sacrafice. If the company can cover all of the flying because people are picking up open time then there is no reason to recall. If you pick up open time you should have your name on a wall and given to all the FO's on furlough. Nobody likes where we are right now, this is a new area for ASA. Lets try to show some respect to the guys that just got life altering news and atleast pretend like you are supportive.

And what are they gonna do with the names?

 

[outtahere]

If I were on furlough and knew someone was stabbing me in the back, I could think of a couple things.

 

[FishandFly]

In my opinion picking up open time while pilots are on furlough is no different than flying flights dropped by a pilot group on strike.

If you pick up anything in open time you are directly delaying the furloughed pilot being recalled.

 

[CFI2766]

You want pilots to donate to the pilots on the street BUT you don't want them to increase their flying to help pay for the guys on the street? Am I understanding you correctly?

Yes. That is EXACTLY what I'm advocating.

If the company can cover the open time with the amount of pilots on the active roster, why should the company recall the furloughs?

Look, I'm not throwing a barb at the company here. It's an awful situation; apparently it appears to be a situation that the company put off as long as it could. (Granted, I have only the obvious public information. As a line flying, habitually fatigued, underpaid, pilot, I probably do not have all of the facts.) The company is doing what it can in the interests of its shareholders first. Frankly, that's the way business works.

If I were one of the guys furloughed, as we all could be, I would want the guys left on the schedule thinking about me in the same way that I'm thinking about them. As pilots, no one will ever look out for us but ourselves. Bottom line, if you pick up open time at ASA, you are keeping an ASA pilot out of a job.

 

[CFI2766]

not that I disagree with the open time argument but if you feel it was handled as well as it could have been, why the problem with others picking up open time? seems a little contradictory

Honestly, I don't see the contradiction. I could be missing something here, but what did you mean here?

It's not in the financial interests of ASA/SKYW to train pilots with the intention of furloughing them. I don't think that this action had any overt malice towards the pilot group. Am I wrong here?

 

[filejw]

In my opinion picking up open time while pilots are on furlough is no different than flying flights dropped by a pilot group on strike.

If you pick up anything in open time you are directly delaying the furloughed pilot being recalled.

You know I've heard this all through my 30 years and agree but have come to the conclusion "fly the contract". If pilots wanted they would have it put in their next negotiations, but they don't.

 

[Texx]

If I were on furlough and knew someone was stabbing me in the back, I could think of a couple things.

Oh here we go.

Let me ask you and the other pilots a question.

Did you vote FOR or Against the current CBA?

 

[CFI2766]

Oh here we go.

Let me ask you and the other pilots a question.

Did you vote FOR or Against the current CBA?

Voted FOR. What's your point?

That I did not vote against so that there could be another section prohibiting picking up open time added to the CBA?

I guess I thought that common sense and decency would not require that people be contractually obliged to do the right thing.

It appears that you are proving me wrong.

I'd very much like to see a list of people who have picked up open time after the furlough was announced. Very much indeed.

 

[Texx]

Voted FOR. What's your point?

That I did not vote against so that there could be another section prohibiting picking up open time added to the CBA?

I guess I thought that common sense and decency would not require that people be contractually obliged to do the right thing.

It appears that you are proving me wrong.

I'd very much like to see a list of people who have picked up open time after the furlough was announced. Very much indeed.

I along with 186 pilots vote against the CBA. If the no furlough protection was so important to many, why didn't you guys hold out until the contract language protected any ASA pilot?

So are you part of this problem?

 

[Texx]

I guess I thought that common sense and decency would not require that people be contractually obliged to do the right thing.

Yep, like pilots that call in sick for a date.

Like pilots that show up at the airplane after drinking within 8 hrs.

Like pilots that go breaking windshield on an overnight and then get caught.

etc....

 

[McNugent]

Furloughs suck. Period. But bickering among the pilots about who's picking up open time, or who's not donating $$$ etc. isn't helping the situation. Personally, I take this as a kick in the ass to do everything I can do, to make ASA a viable option for future growth. That is the only way we are getting these guys back, and everyone needs to get on board with that. There are still a lot of crews who are apathetic to fuel conservation, D-0 and customer service. So instead of arguing, second guessing our management, and cursing Delta, do something about it. There's 1630 of us after Feb. 9th who can give the furloughed guys the biggest gift of all, and that's just by doing our jobs, and doing them in the most efficient, professional manner possible.

 

[Texx]

Furloughs suck. Period. But bickering among the pilots about who's picking up open time, or who's not donating $$$ etc. isn't helping the situation. Personally I take this as a kick in the ass to do everything I can do, to make ASA a viable option for future growth. That is the only way we are getting these guys back, and everyone needs to get on board with that. There are still a lot of crews who are apathetic to fuel conservation, D-0 and customer service. So instead of arguing, second guessing our management, and cursing Delta, do something about it. There's 1630 of us after Feb. 9th who can give the furloughed guys the biggest gift of all, and that's just by doing our jobs, and doing them in the most efficient, professional manner possible.

This had to be the most intelligent posting that you have ever made.

But your still a Bozo.