ASA furloughs 80 pilots

[ace6453]

check your ourasa mail, a memo from CT about the furloughs

 

[No Delay]

Originally Posted by Smacktard
That's gotta suck, you paid $10 bucks for the new account on FI and then you get furloughed! Doh!

that was below the belt...funny...but a little low!

Hate to hear it for everyone! Wish you all well and hope to have you back real soon!

I have to agree with most. I think the company did a pretty fair job. I am very pleased with the job BH is doing. It is still bad news!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Sunlit,

I can assume that you are one of the 80. Sorry to hear that. That being said, coming on here and blasting your fellow pilots is the wrong thing to do. We are not your enemy, and frankly, Brad, Scott, Charlie and the rest of management is not either. I do believe ASA has done its best to mitigate any furloughs. The writing has been on the wall for awhile. For me, the final and most obvious sign was asking for "VOLUNTARY FURLOUGHS." What could possibly be the next step?

September 11th and what it did to the industry is an example of a furlough coming with absolutely no sign to any of those affected. The price of oil skyrocketing going back to last year, followed so closely by an economic meltdown of our economy, and management offering numerous ways to reduce costs have all pointed to today. Many other regionals started furloughing many months ago, also another sign that things weren't right around here.

Fill out your unemployment forms ASAP and start collecting the money that you had been funding with your taxes over the past year at ASA. Until then, those of us that will be fortunate enough to remain employed will bust our asses to get you guys back.

Enjoy your beer. Hang in there, tough times are ahead for you.

 

[say again]

I love the maturity level of a few here!! Grow up.

 

[ohplease!]

While you are drinking your Koolaid... Management should have used language such as. "Furloughs are highly likely" or "Furloughs should be expected in January". Instead of weak and nebulous suggestions that the economy is bad. I wonder how long ASA management knew this coming. If they found out last week, that is understandable, but I suspect this decision was made many weeks ago. For furloughed pilots, it's like a disease. The earlier they know the condition, the more time they have to prepare and recover from it. I could care less about your fat asses, sitting around all cozy while gainfully employed.

Sorry to hear that you are going to be furloughed. BUT, if you didn't see this writing on the wall, maybe you should have gained more experience before coming to the airline world....and no I don't mean flight time...but since you thought it....that too.

BTW, would you rather have been told around Thanksgiving and/or Christmas that you were out of a job? and I'd bet they probably knew something about the 900s and weren't sure how many needed to be furloughed and didn't want to overshoot the #. ASA and our MEC have apparently worked pretty hard to not go this route. Too bad you're in the cut but thats how it works out sometimes.

 

[N1VIBS]

Anyone affected by this furlough be advised that if you have sick time accrued, it does not pay out on 2/9... you lose it... straight from the mouth of DG during my "personal" phone call.

cough... I've got about 22 hours according to my last pay stub... cough.

Vacation, OTOH, will pay out.

Careful. There is something in the HR Manual about having to work your complete notice period (last two weeks). If you call in sick, you don't get your vacation pay. This applies to people who resign,. not really sure how it applies to furloughs, since you didn't resign or give 2 weeks notice.You might want to make sure before that cough gets too bad!! Good luck.

 

[Jorgy50]

Now that furloughs are official, I sincerely hope no one picks up open time. I'm sure there will be people who do but it is a shame.

 

[N1VIBS]

Careful. There is something in the HR Manual about having to work your complete notice period (last two weeks). If you call in sick, you don't get your vacation pay. This applies to people who resign,. not really sure how it applies to furloughs, since you didn't resign or give 2 weeks notice.You might want to make sure before that cough gets too bad!! Good luck.

The section I'm referring to is Human Resources manual, Chapter 2, section 27. Page 2-27.4, paragraph D section 4. Not really clear, but you might want to check. Hate to see you lose your vacation pay. Hopefully it won't effect furloughs.

 

[Texx]

Now that furloughs are official, I sincerely hope no one picks up open time. I'm sure there will be people who do but it is a shame.

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[Texx]

Careful. There is something in the HR Manual about having to work your complete notice period (last two weeks). If you call in sick, you don't get your vacation pay. This applies to people who resign,. not really sure how it applies to furloughs, since you didn't resign or give 2 weeks notice.You might want to make sure before that cough gets too bad!! Good luck.

Only for pilots resigning.

 

[JimmyKool]

Welcome to the club Gents! Think of it as a new strategy to meet women. They'll feel sorry for ya and take you home. Its worked for me, though no one I'd really brag about yet.

 

[say again]

I'm on my 4th gig in since my ACA expiration in 05. This last one hurt the most; six figures, great QOL, beni's, etc, but the real kicker is its nearly impossible finding another flying job.

 

[ke4akj1976]

lets help the 80 pilots out

I really wish we could do something to help them pay their bills. 50$ per month from each ASA pilot would provide 1000.00 per month for the 80 pilots. I will be first to volunteer or help get this going. Please let me know if you think this is a viable option.

 

[Tarzan]

I really wish we could do something to help them pay their bills. 50$ per month from each ASA pilot would provide 1000.00 per month for the 80 pilots. I will be first to volunteer or help get this going. Please let me know if you think this is a viable option.

This a noble idea but how about a donation pot in the crew room? I'd shoot something to the CP's and Holt.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I really wish we could do something to help them pay their bills. 50$ per month from each ASA pilot would provide 1000.00 per month for the 80 pilots. I will be first to volunteer or help get this going. Please let me know if you think this is a viable option.

A dues assessment to pay COBRA premiums for those furloughed has been a pretty common thing in the past at other airlines. The assessment per pilot is minimal and it can make all the difference in the world to someone hitting the street and trying to figure out how they're going to pay the premiums. COBRA is incredibly expensive.

I'm truly sorry to hear about the furlough, guys. Good luck.

 

[JoeMerchant]

While you are drinking your Koolaid... Management should have used language such as. "Furloughs are highly likely" or "Furloughs should be expected in January". Instead of weak and nebulous suggestions that the economy is bad. I wonder how long ASA management knew this coming. If they found out last week, that is understandable, but I suspect this decision was made many weeks ago. For furloughed pilots, it's like a disease. The earlier they know the condition, the more time they have to prepare and recover from it. I could care less about your fat asses, sitting around all cozy while gainfully employed.

Here is what "sunlitpath" said when the ATR's went away:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1657206#post1657206

 

[PA44Jockey]

Hate to ask this, but are you guys going to keep raising the assessment 10.00/month for every so many people furloughed? Nobody wants to hear it, but you guys could get this going and the company could come right out and announce another 80 folks. Then what? I don't think this system is legit. In no way do I think active pilots should be required to help a furloughed pilot pay bills, nor should I feel bad for not contributing.

Let me ask you this? I go to work everyday and I have to get drug tested to prove that I am a clean and able person for the job. Right now I could quit my job and apply for welfare and I wouldn't be required to be drug tested to receive free money from the government. Clearly something is wrong with our system here. Though it is different, I think if you guys are going to starting taking $50.00 out of each of your checks to aid your furloughed guys, you might as well just tell your management that you want to take paycuts to mitigate your furloughs. Would this be a free ride, or would the furloughed guys be required to pay this money back within a year after coming back on the property, or 6 months after resigning their seniority number?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

PA44,

I will be more than happy in a dues assessment that goes towards paying for COBRA or something like that.

To me, cutting a check in the name of CASH in this case is no different than giving a homeless guy money. (sorry if the analogy comes across poorly) I want to be sure that my money is going to something of value and is accountable in the end.

 

[damnflyboy]

There is never a "good" or "better" time to tell someone that they will be furloughed.

The best time is right after I draw a hot bubble bath, turn on some Barry White, and soap up my undercarriage.

Oh...Furloughs. But you know what? We can all stop bending over now. Because here comes management with the coup de grâce...around the fleshy corner with ASA's own version of a DIRTY SANCHEZ!

BEHOLD! THE DOWNGRADES! (coming soon)

 

[Plainsman]

Does ALPA do anything in the form of information for these guys and girls, I haven't seen anything from the Union. Guess they are just waking up.