ASA/expressjet & skywest

[rogerwilcoout]

I will say it again from another thread. No sense in getting into pissing matches or making inflamatory comments to start a pissing match. What is going to happen is going to happen and we are not stopping it. Expressjet has some of the most professional pilots out there, and so do we. Lets do this right and get along, show everyone what true professionals we are. We can do it the Delta/NWA way or the USAir way. I chose the Delta way. Nobody is happy about possibly losing some seniority and as long as it stays that way and NOBODY is happy, then it will be fair. We just need to maintain our composures, get along with each other, and ride the ride because arguing is not going to change a darn thing. I don't think there is another pilot group out there that will mesh with ours better than Expressjet.

But wait. Everyone seems to be attacking the Republic guys for the same thing....................

 

[ApocketA's_145]

But wait. Everyone seems to be attacking the Republic guys for the same thing....................

HUGE difference... republic sucks! 190 FO's top out at $37/hr! haha they also put midwest out on the street and soon to be Frontier, nobody in the Skywest deal is gonna get screwed and they will be fighting for good contract and also not competing with their own customers! haah

 

[Future Furlough]

Our contract requires certain things of the holding company, just just the acquiring company in the event of a merger. The merging of all 3 lists is part of this because it falls under the holding company portion of the contract. This is why SKW didnt end up buying us 2 years ago because we would not vote that portion out. My guess is the "ASA is buying us and therefor becomes the holding company" line is to try to prevent this. I think this is going to be a very bad legal battle.

I hope that that portion of the proceedings(which will and already are happening) do not get in the way of working together with SKW and ASA to create a great company. I think all 3 groups will come out of this better if we work together instead of fighting with each other.

It will end up in arbitration and XJT will get the TSA answer of list integrations.

 

[rjacobs]

It will end up in arbitration and XJT will get the TSA answer of list integrations.

It will end up in arbitration or federal court, that we can agree. However I wouldnt be so sure about the TSA/GJ debacle happening again with a very labor friendly NMB right now. When that happened, it wasnt a labor friendly NMB. Pinnacle was already forced by the NMB to fold its hand 2 years ago(or when ever it was) with Colgan(although I am not sure what has happened with that yet either).

I honestly dont know what will happen. Supposedly as of about noon today nobody from SKWinc. had said any word of any of this to our union so as far as I know, our union knows just as much as whats on here and from the earnings call.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Agreed, and kill PBS while we are at it!

Because you get what you want, even if the majority of pilots want PBS? It was voted on, and passed...by a large majority.

 

[HoserASA]

as of about noon today nobody from SKWinc. had said any word of any of this to our union so as far as I know, our union knows just as much as whats on here and from the earnings call.

Union? AT SKYW????

Hoser
ROLL TIDE!

 

[PapaSiera]

Because you get what you want, even if the majority of pilots want PBS? It was voted on, and passed...by a large majority.

Question: Why would you want PBS if without it you can turn 1 week of vacation into 3 weeks? If you have 2 weeks of vacation that 6 weeks off per year. Surly ASA doesn't have a lot of company men...

 

[maxcackel]

No we just have a MEC that was bought by the company to Ram(sell) this turd down our throat with the promise from Chris M. that if we "don't wake up and smell the coffee, INC. will shrink us to nothing along with our jobs". Management 101. I hope XE has a better MEC and get rid of this thing.

 

[rjacobs]

Union? AT SKYW????

Sorry should have been more clear, SKW mgmt, sorry ASA mgmt, hadn't said anything to our MEC at XJT about this deal. That was at about 11 or so I had heard that, so possibly by now they have talked to each other.

 

[Future Furlough]

It will end up in arbitration or federal court, that we can agree. However I wouldnt be so sure about the TSA/GJ debacle happening again with a very labor friendly NMB right now. When that happened, it wasnt a labor friendly NMB. Pinnacle was already forced by the NMB to fold its hand 2 years ago(or when ever it was) with Colgan(although I am not sure what has happened with that yet either).

I honestly dont know what will happen. Supposedly as of about noon today nobody from SKWinc. had said any word of any of this to our union so as far as I know, our union knows just as much as whats on here and from the earnings call.

Even with a "labor friendly NMB", I don't see them forcing our scope clause on the non-union SKW pilot group.

 

[sniper]

on the Conf. call Brad Rich was asked if INC. was done acquiring for a while. He said it would be very difficult to bring on any additional flying during the integration process to ASA, so for the next 12 - 18 months. However they expect some growth both acquisition and organic on the SkyWest side.

This was my concern starting this thread...if this is indeed correct... ASA will spend next 14 months digesting a 50 seat airline with little, if any, growth and any USAIR, United/mesa 70/90's go to skywest?

How pathetic, you are having no problem taking express jet pilot but you dont want any mesa pilots. Arent those mesa pilots ALPA?

AMAZING


I think you should both start PFT again, hey why not have mesa pilots pay for their training 10k

 

[JoeMerchant]

Or you could look at it this way. Cal/Ual Alpa are deadset on keeping Cal's scope, it is priority number1. So plans have to be made for feed, best case on the 70/90 seat side is all planes on property get grand fathered in. Now is not the time for ASA-XJT-SKW to have meaningless fights with eachother. It is however the time to join 5000+ pilots strong in a united front for a CBA that benefits us all!

You're using logic with some of our chronic whiners.....It won't work.....

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Exactly how would senority lists be merged with a non union labour group? Just like that? A union and non-union pilot in the same cockpit?

 

[dojetdriver]

I would love to see a copy of the Expressjet seniority list to see how senior/junior they are.

Why does it matter?

With AM and the McCaskill thing, combined with the precedent set by the DAL/NWA MERGER, DOH'S are LESS important than protecting things like relative seniority.

 

[Erlanger]

Sorry should have been more clear, SKW mgmt, sorry ASA mgmt, hadn't said anything to our MEC at XJT about this deal. That was at about 11 or so I had heard that, so possibly by now they have talked to each other.

There is no way that this deal was done without the XJet MEC atleast given a hypothetical "what if we bought you guys" talk from Jerry and/or Brad. Skywest, Inc counsel might of advised Jerry and Brad that this deal can be done with a merger with ASA and not Skywest and will hold up in court if contested but I'm sure Skywest, Inc wanted to gauge the reaction from the MEC to hear any objections and concerns that Skywest, Inc/ASA hadnt thought of that could hinder the deal. I'm also sure the the ASA MEC was consulted about it in a small way too.

 

[maxcackel]

Because you get what you want, even if the majority of pilots want PBS? It was voted on, and passed...by a large majority.

Guess what, after yesterday ASA is now the minority. they have a much larger group who hates PBS. The fences if made will keep them out of our bases and larger aircraft for a little while but that will end and there will be a lot of change here. I welcome the new mix of people into our system and look forward to what they bring to the table.

 

[Metro752]

Looks like ExpressJet said their stock was worth $11, and then turned around and sold at $6.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

My house is worth $6 million US; two bedroom, one bath.. interested?

 

[Metro752]

My house is worth $6 million US; two bedroom, one bath.. interested?

Terrible analogy.

 

[COEX-FO]

Terrible analogy.

Excellent analogy!! The price of anything is what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree to. The 'worth' of something has no bearing at all.

Reminds me of the used car ads; Paid $50,000 for my new Corvette, it's worth 40K, price is only 38K and the car ultimately sells for 30K.

 

[Nevets]

Fire them quickly!!!!!! It is a poor negotiation tactic to box one selves into only one outcome.

I think its more of a matter of trying to get our contract honored. There is no sense in not even trying and if it doesnt work then, off to plan b.

I don't have a real fight in this deal, except that I have a FEW friends over at XJT, but it seems pretty clear... ASA is a separate airline operating under a separate certificate ... I don't get it... It is seems clear... I am confused - would want stability...

Good luck though... Hope it turns out well...

Not so clear when you read the scope clause in the XJT contract. The intent is really clear and is precisely why SKW didn't buy XJT two years ago. If I was SKW management, I would want stability as well. This is definitely 180 degrees from that!

Because you get what you want, even if the majority of pilots want PBS? It was voted on, and passed...by a large majority.

But your large majority is now the minority once a ratification vote of the JCBA is put out.

Exactly how would senority lists be merged with a non union labour group? Just like that? A union and non-union pilot in the same cockpit?

It would be negotiated with their management. Then there would be a representational vote afterward.

There is no way that this deal was done without the XJet MEC atleast given a hypothetical "what if we bought you guys" talk from Jerry and/or Brad. Skywest, Inc counsel might of advised Jerry and Brad that this deal can be done with a merger with ASA and not Skywest and will hold up in court if contested but I'm sure Skywest, Inc wanted to gauge the reaction from the MEC to hear any objections and concerns that Skywest, Inc/ASA hadnt thought of that could hinder the deal. I'm also sure the the ASA MEC was consulted about it in a small way too.

The MEC said yesterday in an email that they will meet with SKW management soon. Made it sound like nothing substantial had been discussed. But I think JA was well aware the the MEC wasn't going to take this laying down and he is prepared for anything.

 

[propilot1983]

No we just have a MEC that was bought by the company to Ram(sell) this turd down our throat with the promise from Chris M. that if we "don't wake up and smell the coffee, INC. will shrink us to nothing along with our jobs". Management 101. I hope XE has a better MEC and get rid of this thing.

Let's hope Cash and the gang get their heads on straight since they wont be bumping elbows with Semak and folks in the training department. If there was any chance for Cash to shine, now would be the time.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Guess what, after yesterday ASA is now the minority. they have a much larger group who hates PBS. The fences if made will keep them out of our bases and larger aircraft for a little while but that will end and there will be a lot of change here. I welcome the new mix of people into our system and look forward to what they bring to the table.

You never know. The majority of them may love it. The only way we will ever know is a vote, which isn't going to happen.

The fact is that you may come to love PBS once it is on property. I think most of the people who hate it now are just afraid of change. The change to a more advanced way of bidding is welcome, in my book.

 

[badog]

to merge / not to merg

You never know. The majority of them may love it. The only way we will ever know is a vote, which isn't going to happen.

The fact is that you may come to love PBS once it is on property. I think most of the people who hate it now are just afraid of change. The change to a more advanced way of bidding is welcome, in my book.

1. No pbs.
2. One list skw xjt asa.
3. Our contract.

pbs benefits management NOT pilots
One list would make us strong
Our contract, ( no 70 / 90 ) is very good
When they say re-fleet xjt I say ???

 

[buscap]

1. No pbs.
2. One list skw xjt asa.
3. Our contract.

pbs benefits management NOT pilots
One list would make us strong
Our contract, ( no 70 / 90 ) is very good
When they say re-fleet xjt I say ???

Yes to all, but the PBS. Give it some time at ASA before deciding on that one. Ours really is apples and oranges to other systems.

If it turns out to suck, we would really like some help getting rid of it, or making improvements.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

1. No pbs.
2. One list skw xjt asa.
3. Our contract.

pbs benefits management NOT pilots
One list would make us strong
Our contract, ( no 70 / 90 ) is very good
When they say re-fleet xjt I say ???

1 isn't going to happen. It is already incoming. The only way it is going away is the next negotiation. The fact is we have an industry leading PBS package, and we should give it a shot before throwing it out. It will both benefit the pilot group and management, and that isn't a bad thing. Management is NOT the enemy folks. They keep us getting a paycheck, and our management is a good one, for the most part.

2 isn't going to happen either. ASA is buying Xjet, not Skywest. Yes, one list would make us strong, but that has been true since 2005.

3 may be a possibility, but not until negotiation for the next contract.

 

[hyflyin]

Bull & Lifsh*tz, LLP Announces Investigation of the Acquisition of ExpressJet Holdings, Inc.


"LIFSH*TZ" .......REALLY!!!!! FI WON'T EVEN LET ME POST THE GUYS NAME WITHOUT MODIFICATION!!!:laugh:

 

[superrav]

Management could take PBS, but at what cost? It saves them money, why would they? Its a give and take...

 

[badog]

uh oh

1 isn't going to happen. It is already incoming. The only way it is going away is the next negotiation. The fact is we have an industry leading PBS package, and we should give it a shot before throwing it out. It will both benefit the pilot group and management, and that isn't a bad thing. Management is NOT the enemy folks. They keep us getting a paycheck, and our management is a good one, for the most part.

2 isn't going to happen either. ASA is buying Xjet, not Skywest. Yes, one list would make us strong, but that has been true since 2005.

3 may be a possibility, but not until negotiation for the next contract.

1. WRONG ! pbs does not benefit pilots! (once you see what we can do without pbs, you'll wonder, like us, why you ever let it happen?). xjt pilots are adamant about NO pbs

2. Don't be delusional, asa has no cash, it's the holding company, skywest, that will use asa to make the purchase and our scope defines that.

3. The contract is up as soon as the merger starts? I hope everyone at asa isn't like this or we'll all be in trouble!

4. Let the past dictate the future here! How can jerry have a deal inked with cal/ual already without this deal being done? cal already reduced our cost, (pay) last time using skywest what makes anyone think it's different this time around? asa will not get a pay raise by merging with xjt! xjt will get a worse contract and lower pay, effectively lowering the bar for everyone. We need to keep our eye on the ball here people.

 

[maxcackel]

Why do you think management loves pbs, it saves them money. YOUR MONEY.