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LazyLightnin' said:
Come on over, jetlinkers. The red arrow waters are just fine.
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We have been swimming in those same waters for months now, plus our Red Flag (150% pay for pick ups or added days) has been up the entire year!

Look forward to working with you guys and getting an industry leading contract without PBS.........
 
cybourg10 said:
We have been swimming in those same waters for months now, plus our Red Flag (150% pay for pick ups or added days) has been up the entire year!

Look forward to working with you guys and getting an industry leading contract without PBS.........
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But it's "industry leading"????
 
enuffalready said:
The million dollar question for all 3 pilot groups

will the asa/express merger take up the next year as we become a super duper 50 seat regional ( with little or no growth)... while skywest takes over mesa 70/90s and any other airlines new 70/90's and get the growth over the next 12-18 months.

Sure they may throw a 70 or 90 ASA's way, but as the true growth airframes come aboard, will they go west bound?
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Or you could look at it this way. Cal/Ual Alpa are deadset on keeping Cal's scope, it is priority number1. So plans have to be made for feed, best case on the 70/90 seat side is all planes on property get grand fathered in. Now is not the time for ASA-XJT-SKW to have meaningless fights with eachother. It is however the time to join 5000+ pilots strong in a united front for a CBA that benefits us all!
 
According to our reps at XJT we have hired outside counsel to look at this... They say the way it looks, this not merging all three lists will not fly. We'll see what happens.
 
TEXAN AVIATOR said:
According to our reps at XJT we have hired outside counsel to look at this... They say the way it looks, this not merging all three lists will not fly. We'll see what happens.
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Fire them quickly!!!!!! It is a poor negotiation tactic to box one selves into only one outcome.
 
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TEXAN AVIATOR said:
According to our reps at XJT we have hired outside counsel to look at this... They say the way it looks, this not merging all three lists will not fly. We'll see what happens.
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I don't have a real fight in this deal, except that I have a FEW friends over at XJT, but it seems pretty clear... ASA is a separate airline operating under a separate certificate ... I don't get it... It is seems clear... I am confused - would want stability...

Good luck though... Hope it turns out well...
 
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on the Conf. call Brad Rich was asked if INC. was done acquiring for a while. He said it would be very difficult to bring on any additional flying during the integration process to ASA, so for the next 12 - 18 months. However they expect some growth both acquisition and organic on the SkyWest side.

This was my concern starting this thread...if this is indeed correct... ASA will spend next 14 months digesting a 50 seat airline with little, if any, growth and any USAIR, United/mesa 70/90's go to skywest?
 
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Our contract requires certain things of the holding company, just just the acquiring company in the event of a merger. The merging of all 3 lists is part of this because it falls under the holding company portion of the contract. This is why SKW didnt end up buying us 2 years ago because we would not vote that portion out. My guess is the "ASA is buying us and therefor becomes the holding company" line is to try to prevent this. I think this is going to be a very bad legal battle.

I hope that that portion of the proceedings(which will and already are happening) do not get in the way of working together with SKW and ASA to create a great company. I think all 3 groups will come out of this better if we work together instead of fighting with each other.
 
Varmint said:
I will say it again from another thread. No sense in getting into pissing matches or making inflamatory comments to start a pissing match. What is going to happen is going to happen and we are not stopping it. Expressjet has some of the most professional pilots out there, and so do we. Lets do this right and get along, show everyone what true professionals we are. We can do it the Delta/NWA way or the USAir way. I chose the Delta way. Nobody is happy about possibly losing some seniority and as long as it stays that way and NOBODY is happy, then it will be fair. We just need to maintain our composures, get along with each other, and ride the ride because arguing is not going to change a darn thing. I don't think there is another pilot group out there that will mesh with ours better than Expressjet.
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But wait. Everyone seems to be attacking the Republic guys for the same thing....................
 
rogerwilcoout said:
But wait. Everyone seems to be attacking the Republic guys for the same thing....................
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HUGE difference... republic sucks! 190 FO's top out at $37/hr! haha they also put midwest out on the street and soon to be Frontier, nobody in the Skywest deal is gonna get screwed and they will be fighting for good contract and also not competing with their own customers! haah
 
rjacobs said:
Our contract requires certain things of the holding company, just just the acquiring company in the event of a merger. The merging of all 3 lists is part of this because it falls under the holding company portion of the contract. This is why SKW didnt end up buying us 2 years ago because we would not vote that portion out. My guess is the "ASA is buying us and therefor becomes the holding company" line is to try to prevent this. I think this is going to be a very bad legal battle.

I hope that that portion of the proceedings(which will and already are happening) do not get in the way of working together with SKW and ASA to create a great company. I think all 3 groups will come out of this better if we work together instead of fighting with each other.
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It will end up in arbitration and XJT will get the TSA answer of list integrations.
 
Future Furlough said:
It will end up in arbitration and XJT will get the TSA answer of list integrations.
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It will end up in arbitration or federal court, that we can agree. However I wouldnt be so sure about the TSA/GJ debacle happening again with a very labor friendly NMB right now. When that happened, it wasnt a labor friendly NMB. Pinnacle was already forced by the NMB to fold its hand 2 years ago(or when ever it was) with Colgan(although I am not sure what has happened with that yet either).

I honestly dont know what will happen. Supposedly as of about noon today nobody from SKWinc. had said any word of any of this to our union so as far as I know, our union knows just as much as whats on here and from the earnings call.
 
ASA_Aviator said:
Because you get what you want, even if the majority of pilots want PBS? It was voted on, and passed...by a large majority.
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Question: Why would you want PBS if without it you can turn 1 week of vacation into 3 weeks? If you have 2 weeks of vacation that 6 weeks off per year. Surly ASA doesn't have a lot of company men...
 
No we just have a MEC that was bought by the company to Ram(sell) this turd down our throat with the promise from Chris M. that if we "don't wake up and smell the coffee, INC. will shrink us to nothing along with our jobs". Management 101. I hope XE has a better MEC and get rid of this thing.
 
rjacobs said:
It will end up in arbitration or federal court, that we can agree. However I wouldnt be so sure about the TSA/GJ debacle happening again with a very labor friendly NMB right now. When that happened, it wasnt a labor friendly NMB. Pinnacle was already forced by the NMB to fold its hand 2 years ago(or when ever it was) with Colgan(although I am not sure what has happened with that yet either).

I honestly dont know what will happen. Supposedly as of about noon today nobody from SKWinc. had said any word of any of this to our union so as far as I know, our union knows just as much as whats on here and from the earnings call.
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Even with a "labor friendly NMB", I don't see them forcing our scope clause on the non-union SKW pilot group.
 

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