ASA/expressjet & skywest

[enuffalready]

The million dollar question for all 3 pilot groups

will the asa/express merger take up the next year as we become a super duper 50 seat regional ( with little or no growth)... while skywest takes over mesa 70/90s and any other airlines new 70/90's and get the growth over the next 12-18 months.

Sure they may throw a 70 or 90 ASA's way, but as the true growth airframes come aboard, will they go west bound?

 

[Medeco]

More reason to try and help enforce Expressjets contract.

 

[XPOO]

enuffalready,


You are one of the few who sees the big picture.

 

[IFLYASA]

I would love to see a copy of the Expressjet seniority list to see how senior/junior they are.

 

[Varmint]

I will say it again from another thread. No sense in getting into pissing matches or making inflamatory comments to start a pissing match. What is going to happen is going to happen and we are not stopping it. Expressjet has some of the most professional pilots out there, and so do we. Lets do this right and get along, show everyone what true professionals we are. We can do it the Delta/NWA way or the USAir way. I chose the Delta way. Nobody is happy about possibly losing some seniority and as long as it stays that way and NOBODY is happy, then it will be fair. We just need to maintain our composures, get along with each other, and ride the ride because arguing is not going to change a darn thing. I don't think there is another pilot group out there that will mesh with ours better than Expressjet.

 

[pilotkppsg]

I would love to see a copy of the Expressjet seniority list to see how senior/junior they are.

Many have been here over 5 years, the majority of us have 7-11 years and most senior, 15-25 yrs

 

[atlcrashpad]

Kant we all jus gets along?

Yeah..... bouyyyyyyyy....

 

[IFLYASA]

Many have been here over 5 years, the majority of us have 7-11 years and most senior, 15-25 yrs

Sounds like ASA as well.

 

[777forever]

As far as Mesa 900s, CLT base would go to the new ASA, and PHX base to Skywest

 

[LazyLightnin']

Yippee

 

[Data]

The future is looking good for the Dallas folks, maybe you'll actually be able to bid back to Texas in the next 2 years.

 

[XPOO]

As far as Mesa 900s, CLT base would go to the new ASA, and PHX base to Skywest

Uh, no. That's not how it would work. It would all go one place.

 

[ApocketA's_145]

More reason to try and help enforce Expressjets contract.

AMEN.... thats one thing that XJT had was a great contract. Lets bring that over and make it the best place to work in the industry!

 

[cybourg10]

AMEN.... thats one thing that XJT had was a great contract. Lets bring that over and make it the best place to work in the industry!

Agreed, and kill PBS while we are at it!

 

[LazyLightnin']

Come on over, jetlinkers. The red arrow waters are just fine.

 

[damnflyboy]

Come on over, jetlinkers. The red arrow waters are just fine.

Yea! Hahaha. Misery loves company!

 

[cfi_greg]

The million dollar question for all 3 pilot groups

will the asa/express merger take up the next year as we become a super duper 50 seat regional ( with little or no growth)... while skywest takes over mesa 70/90s and any other airlines new 70/90's and get the growth over the next 12-18 months.

Sure they may throw a 70 or 90 ASA's way, but as the true growth airframes come aboard, will they go west bound?

Wow do you guys always complain?

 

[damnflyboy]

Wow do you guys always complain?

In a word, yes. Roarrrrr!

 

[LazyLightnin']

Wow do you guys always complain?

Not always. Sometimes we insult.

 

[Texx]

I would love to see a copy of the Expressjet seniority list to see how senior/junior they are.

What's your DOH?

 

[cybourg10]

Come on over, jetlinkers. The red arrow waters are just fine.

We have been swimming in those same waters for months now, plus our Red Flag (150% pay for pick ups or added days) has been up the entire year!

Look forward to working with you guys and getting an industry leading contract without PBS.........

 

[buscap]

We have been swimming in those same waters for months now, plus our Red Flag (150% pay for pick ups or added days) has been up the entire year!

Look forward to working with you guys and getting an industry leading contract without PBS.........

But it's "industry leading"????

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

But it's "industry leading"????

What? He was saying that when we both get together, we can get rid of the crappy parts of both of our contracts (take duty rigs from ASA and no PBS from XJT)

 

[cybourg10]

What? He was saying that when we both get together, we can get rid of the crappy parts of both of our contracts (take duty rigs from ASA and no PBS from XJT)

Si Si.....

Lamp you created a crackpipe overload!

 

[flynryan15]

The million dollar question for all 3 pilot groups

will the asa/express merger take up the next year as we become a super duper 50 seat regional ( with little or no growth)... while skywest takes over mesa 70/90s and any other airlines new 70/90's and get the growth over the next 12-18 months.

Sure they may throw a 70 or 90 ASA's way, but as the true growth airframes come aboard, will they go west bound?

Or you could look at it this way. Cal/Ual Alpa are deadset on keeping Cal's scope, it is priority number1. So plans have to be made for feed, best case on the 70/90 seat side is all planes on property get grand fathered in. Now is not the time for ASA-XJT-SKW to have meaningless fights with eachother. It is however the time to join 5000+ pilots strong in a united front for a CBA that benefits us all!

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

According to our reps at XJT we have hired outside counsel to look at this... They say the way it looks, this not merging all three lists will not fly. We'll see what happens.

 

[Bako Cap]

According to our reps at XJT we have hired outside counsel to look at this... They say the way it looks, this not merging all three lists will not fly. We'll see what happens.

Fire them quickly!!!!!! It is a poor negotiation tactic to box one selves into only one outcome.

 

[hotwing]

????

According to our reps at XJT we have hired outside counsel to look at this... They say the way it looks, this not merging all three lists will not fly. We'll see what happens.

I don't have a real fight in this deal, except that I have a FEW friends over at XJT, but it seems pretty clear... ASA is a separate airline operating under a separate certificate ... I don't get it... It is seems clear... I am confused - would want stability...

Good luck though... Hope it turns out well...

 

[enuffalready]

on the Conf. call Brad Rich was asked if INC. was done acquiring for a while. He said it would be very difficult to bring on any additional flying during the integration process to ASA, so for the next 12 - 18 months. However they expect some growth both acquisition and organic on the SkyWest side.

This was my concern starting this thread...if this is indeed correct... ASA will spend next 14 months digesting a 50 seat airline with little, if any, growth and any USAIR, United/mesa 70/90's go to skywest?

 

[rjacobs]

Our contract requires certain things of the holding company, just just the acquiring company in the event of a merger. The merging of all 3 lists is part of this because it falls under the holding company portion of the contract. This is why SKW didnt end up buying us 2 years ago because we would not vote that portion out. My guess is the "ASA is buying us and therefor becomes the holding company" line is to try to prevent this. I think this is going to be a very bad legal battle.

I hope that that portion of the proceedings(which will and already are happening) do not get in the way of working together with SKW and ASA to create a great company. I think all 3 groups will come out of this better if we work together instead of fighting with each other.