ASA-Contract Negotiations

["GO AROUND"]

I'm still trying to figure out what they hoped to accomplish by doing this?

If that came out as a TA it would be shot down without a doubt.

 

[Texx]

gave SOME away and making it up with an extra trip here and there with quite a few days off still. Laughing as guys actually thing they are making a difference. Ill go finish that martini now and light another cigar with some money

What is really funny is that Fred is going to come for more. And you will offer up doing his yard work, wash his car, clean his pool and pick up after his dog so you can make the same money.

 

[Texx]

I hear all this complaining but what did you expect? Why did you even waste YOUR time to even look at it. Did you really think they were going to post something that you would like?

GET OVER IT! THEY ARE WHO THEY ARE!

How did the song go.. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

 

[Bizjet]

I'm still trying to figure out what they hoped to accomplish by doing this?

If that came out as a TA it would be shot down without a doubt.

The company's Quija Board is down for repair. They are having to make their stupid decision manually.

This management is incompetent even by airline management standards. When they hired Scott Hall he was so dumb that even the other managers noticed. They are working the crew lounge and when pilots go up and engage management or even when management engages them they take that as weakness. Unless of course our pilots just simply state that "I support our negotiating team and negotiations are not held in the crew lounge". Scott Hall has spent his time asking our pilots questions. He has determined that most pilots are aware that we must be the low cost leader to get those new jets. He has also surmised that our pilots like 5 day trips. The list goes on. The company wants to know what our pilots want. They are receiving the pilot’s requirements for a fair contract from our negotiating proposals. They just don't get it. Send them a strong message--If you spent as much time in preparing for negotiations as you do working the crew lounge we would already be two years into a new agreement.

Most of these buffoons will be gone within a year. If they last that long.

 

[HoserASA]

I'm still trying to figure out what they hoped to accomplish by doing this?

They are getting desperate that's one of the reasons. The company's lawyer did notify our negotiating team about posting this on the company propaganda site. The negotiating team feels this is an unusual step for the company to take. But, the negotiaton team wants everyone to view it and make up their own mind about it.

I think the company wants to just put it out there and see what the response will be in the hope of the majority buying off on it. Then, with that ammo, they can stop negotiating (like they've done for years now) and get an arbitrator (when that happens) to force a pilot vote on it.

Or, the company may be waiting on Joe Merchant to launch his campaign when our MEC Chair retires this May. Oh, btw JB, you still haven't stated whether you or LJ will run for MEC Chair. Why not?

Here's what I would do about this. Just tell any management (incl CPs) that the company's proposal is unacceptable and that the negotiation team has your backing. When Scott Hall is in the lounge and trys to engage you, just tell him that the negotiation team does the negotiating, and then just walk away. Better yet, when you see him walk in, just walk away without saying a word!

Hoser
Still waiting on JB/LJ to announce for the MEC Chair!
Scott Hall thinks LJ would be a great pick for MEC Chair!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Or, the company may be waiting on Joe Merchant to launch his campaign when our MEC Chair retires this May. Oh, btw JB, you still haven't stated whether you or LJ will run for MEC Chair. Why not?


Hoser
Still waiting on JB/LJ to announce for the MEC Chair!
Scott Hall thinks LJ would be a great pick for MEC Chair!

Why would John B. waste his time running for MEC Chair. Longshot hardly seems to describe his chances.

 

[av8tor4239]

Check out Section 24 G: They got rid of FO Bypass pay... The company will be able to put new hires anywhere they want completely Disregarding SENORITY!

I have been bypassed for the 50 for 1.5 years, since there are JUNIOR PILOTS flying in the seat that I want, can hold and there were vacancies for, I bid the 700 for the bypass pay.... This bypass pay is the only justification for throwing SR out the window. WITH THIS NEW PROPOSAL THE BYPASS PAY IS GONE!!! WTF IS GOING ON HERE?

 

[Grassstrippilot]

Well, if this was managements way of trying to win us over by showing us what a "fair" proposal they have made, I think it will back fire in their face. It's so pathetic I don't even know where to begin. While some of the language is in the ball park, overall, it is a very subpar offering....to which I don't even have to have a second thought about before I would vote NO.

 

[goodto50meters]

Our MEC should send Brian a nice Vermont Teddy Bear as a sign of thanks for being so politically stupid. Oh, I forgot, maybe we should sent it to Billable Hiers at Ford & Harrison... and on another note

Posting this stuff like management did is nothing but a last minute excersize in desperation. They know that their back is against the wall from SkyWest and ASA Pilots to get a deal. This is a classic attempt to shift the negotiations from the table to the press and court of public opinion.

Management is not getting their way in convincing the pilots to take concessions so they post all of this in the hopes that we all will go "wow" look how generous management is....we'll take it! Even though its not generous.

In other words, this is a good sign that management is reaching the end of their rope. Dont take the bait. Stay the course!

Nice try LaBrecque, Tutt, Hall, Hayes, Billable Heirs, Atkin, Johnlynn: but, MY NEGOTIATION TEAM SPEAKS FOR ME at the table!

Looking forward to my strike ballot! YES....I like pressure do you Brian?

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Looks to me like progress is finally being made. Also looks to me like some of you WANT to strike. Some of you need to look around and see what is happening in the industry. The Delta pilots just agreed to fly the E190 for $95 per hour at the top end!

 

[goodto50meters]

Looks to me like progress is finally being made. Also looks to me like some of you WANT to strike. Some of you need to look around and see what is happening in the industry. The Delta pilots just agreed to fly the E190 for $95 per hour at the top end!

AVoR,

No one wants to strike unless they really are a retard. But most of us will do it if it must be so. This crap has to stop somewhere.

I have looked around and I dont like what I see. Therefore, I choose to draw a line in the sand here. If this outfit cant compete and profit reasonably with a fair contract, then it probably is going to fail anyway.

I will not be a party to the further destruction of our profession.

Helllo.....hellooooo.....tap...tap....tap....Bryan.....Bryan....Jerry? Do you understand this.....helllooooooo

 

[Blucher]

Amen!!

AVoR,

No one wants to strike unless they really are a retard. But most of us will do it if it must be so. This crap has to stop somewhere.

I have looked around and I dont like what I see. Therefore, I choose to draw a line in the sand here. If this outfit cant compete and profit reasonably with a fair contract, then it probably is going to fail anyway.

I will not be a party to the further destruction of our profession.

Helllo.....hellooooo.....tap...tap....tap....Bryan.....Bryan....Jerry? Do you understand this.....helllooooooo

Amen to that, Brother!! Amen to that!!

-Blucher:bomb:

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

AVoR,

No one wants to strike unless they really are a retard. But most of us will do it if it must be so. This crap has to stop somewhere.

I have looked around and I dont like what I see. Therefore, I choose to draw a line in the sand here. If this outfit cant compete and profit reasonably with a fair contract, then it probably is going to fail anyway.

I will not be a party to the further destruction of our profession.

This is a new world. The mainline carriers are putting the work out for bid. Even the mainline pilots are participating in the bidding. Now the DAL pilots are flying the EMB 190 for less than we fly the 70.

What is the "line in the sand". I ask the union folks what we are asking for and what we will strike for. I get answers like "we aren't asking for much" and just "QOL improvements". Then the company gets close on the commuter clause and long call reserve, and people talk like nothing is getting done.

Which is it?

 

["GO AROUND"]

A little is getting done. Is that the answer you wanted? It is still sub par to the agreement that SKW has in many area's.

Any of the SKW guy's on here read it yet? Do SKW pilots get 50% or 100% DH pay? How does it compare. I know the pay rates are similar but what else?

It's still sub standard in some areas. So it would be a NO for me.

 

[Texx]

This is a new world. The mainline carriers are putting the work out for bid. Even the mainline pilots are participating in the bidding. Now the DAL pilots are flying the EMB 190 for less than we fly the 70.

What is the "line in the sand". I ask the union folks what we are asking for and what we will strike for. I get answers like "we aren't asking for much" and just "QOL improvements". Then the company gets close on the commuter clause and long call reserve, and people talk like nothing is getting done.

Which is it?

Well it's like this.

Take DAL "proposed rate for the E190", I still have doubts that this is even in play, and run it out to 18 years at approx. 3% a year. What do you come up with. So when you look at a 12 year rate keep in mind that ASA "wanted an 18 year rate on the 700, not ALPA".

You asked someone what we will strike for. You will have the chance to review what is on the table before you vote.

 

[goodto50meters]

This is a new world. The mainline carriers are putting the work out for bid. Even the mainline pilots are participating in the bidding. Now the DAL pilots are flying the EMB 190 for less than we fly the 70.

What is the "line in the sand". I ask the union folks what we are asking for and what we will strike for. I get answers like "we aren't asking for much" and just "QOL improvements". Then the company gets close on the commuter clause and long call reserve, and people talk like nothing is getting done.

Which is it?

I think people are talking like 'not enough' is getting done, not 'nothing'.

Someone said the 'devil is in the details', take a closer look at the unmatched paragraphs. Many are of a nature that ties the rest of the entire section together . Gee i wonder why these are not agreed upon yet????? Could it be that management negotiators are trying to render the sections worthless. Take the commute clause part for example. One small sentence renders the whole page a pile of crap. This is a Billable Heirs special according to the CNC.

Some progress is being made in all fairness.

The line in the sand: SkyWest comparable/NO 700 CUT/COLA/RETRO PAY

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I think people are talking like 'not enough' is getting done, not 'nothing'.

Someone said the 'devil is in the details', take a closer look at the unmatched paragraphs. Many are of a nature that ties the rest of the entire section together . Gee i wonder why these are not agreed upon yet????? Could it be that management negotiators are trying to render the sections worthless. Take the commute clause part for example. One small sentence renders the whole page a pile of crap. This is a Billable Heirs special according to the CNC.

Some progress is being made in all fairness.

The line in the sand: SkyWest comparable/NO 700 CUT/COLA/RETRO PAY

Gotta say I like how ya think...GOOD LUCK!!!

 

[rumrnr78]

AVOICE- I doubt you will get it. You are probably a senior farker with a head topped of grey hair and full of bad wiring from the George and John days. The old crusty ASA captain with the 4 food groups on his tie and no resolve in his soul. Willing to sell out the junior for another year of seniority!

Can't you at least demand work rules on par with Airtran? They don't have premium but since they treat their employees well they don't need it!

I have Airtran roomies on reserve with 12 days off and it is livable with a last day release if no assignment. Why can't we? They work naps 3 on 3 off, et cetera.

I will not give in to your concessionary, take in the arse, attitude. I pray that the others will join me and reject what is total B.S from management!

The very tone of your post speaks volumes and you better pray that folks such as me do hold the line so that you (and other senior cowards) reap the benefits of a decent contract.

 

[MXAV8R]

NO PAY CUT ON 70/COLA/100% RETRO/HORIZON OR BETTER 50 PAY - OR I WALK!!!

Bring it on BL!!!

 

[HoserASA]

This is a new world. The mainline carriers are putting the work out for bid. Even the mainline pilots are participating in the bidding. Now the DAL pilots are flying the EMB 190 for less than we fly the 70.

What is the "line in the sand". I ask the union folks what we are asking for and what we will strike for. I get answers like "we aren't asking for much" and just "QOL improvements". Then the company gets close on the commuter clause and long call reserve, and people talk like nothing is getting done.

Which is it?

CLOSE! Sorry Scott, but close ain't gonna hunt. Quit bringing up the Delta 190 rate too. You have to factor in their benefit costs as well, plus Delta hasn't even ordered the damn thing, if they can even get 'em!

The company knows what they have to do to get this done. We'll see shortly what the mediator proposes. If it favors management, then expect the worse. And if the absolute worse happens (ASA go out of business) you management types will be out of work too. Doubt that Skywest will move you over to SLC.

Hoser