Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

ASA Considers iPad EFBs

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web
Register   Log in
The Jepps are absolutely available on an iPad. The issue becomes updating them every two weeks. Who will be responsible, when will they do it, how, etc..
Currently, EFBs are updated using a CD, or online, both of which will create issues.
Also, they have to be tethered to the airplane in some fashion or they are not legal.
As others have mentioned, EFBs have been talked about for years.. I doubt very seriously this will happen.
 
waterskier said:
In a recent RGT speach by SH, HE brought up the fact that ASA was looking into replacing ALL the pubs with a iPad EFB. Said the bigest stumbling block was the battery and blocking the internet.... Seems like if they are down to those hurtles, that they are pretty far along in the process... Sure would be nice to carry that insted of the 40lb flight kit! Maybe this is their solution to the W&B problems with the CRJ!
Click to expand...

I say BS on this story. I don't fly for ASA but I do for Skywest and nothing like this gets done unless Jerry approves of it and I say he never will. First of all, the iPad is so impractable for this type of operation and secondly, even at Skywest they held back on a real EFB, not some lame iPad because of money. So we're getting the Jepp Airside which is just 2 sets of Jepps in the airplane with a copy of the Ops Specs and SOP. This is what ASA will eventually get until the EFB get cheaper and then both airlines will have them and it's not going to be some crappy iPad.

Blocking the internet? Does ASA planes have internet?

When you hear BH actually say this; then maybe.
 
Erlanger said:
I say BS on this story. I don't fly for ASA but I do for Skywest and nothing like this gets done unless Jerry approves of it and I say he never will. First of all, the iPad is so impractable for this type of operation and secondly, even at Skywest they held back on a real EFB, not some lame iPad because of money. So we're getting the Jepp Airside which is just 2 sets of Jepps in the airplane with a copy of the Ops Specs and SOP. This is what ASA will eventually get until the EFB get cheaper and then both airlines will have them and it's not going to be some crappy iPad.

Blocking the internet? Does ASA planes have internet?

When you hear BH actually say this; then maybe.
Click to expand...

The iPad thing may be BS, but SH talking about it in RGT is not. I agree it does not totally add up, but he did say they still had some obstacles to overcome.
Unless I was asleep & dreaming (a real possibility in RGT) this is what SH said!
Notice in the title, I did not say we were getting them for sure, just that ASA is considering them, which is true based on what SH said.
 
waterskier said:
The iPad thing may be BS, but SH talking about it in RGT is not. I agree it does not totally add up, but he did say they still had some obstacles to overcome.
Unless I was asleep & dreaming (a real possibility in RGT) this is what SH said!
Notice in the title, I did not say we were getting them for sure, just that ASA is considering them, which is true based on what SH said.
Click to expand...

How long have you been in this business? The word "considering" means absolutely nothing. He's got you guys salivating. Jerry keeps telling us they're "considering" the C-series. And then when the salivating stops they come out with a new "considering" thing. You guys hooked on the Kool-Aid too?
 
When SkyWest went after and got the STC for the EFB we were going after (can't remember the manufactuer), we were required to have not 1 but 2 standby seperate batteries just for the EFB power. That was in case there a total and absolute electrical failure in the CRJ, we all know that is rare, then the EFB would remain powered up right to the crash site.

The iPad probably is already certified as a class C EFB, the large Kindle already is.

I'd say the chances of seeing a Ipad in any SkyWest Inc. aircraft are right up there with having BigFoot (general lee's mom) for an FO.

So ya, there's a chance........
 
What you want to bet thay SH and his buddies up there in Atech sit back and watch how long it takes for things they make up in recurrent to make it to FI. I would if I were in his position....Something to kill time...
 
We are definitely getting them! I saw iPad box over at the G.O.

We are just waiting on all the other airplanes and pilots to get here. Wouldn't make sense to do it now...duh!
 
bailout said:
not true, they have been available in .PDF form for many years and any reader that can read .PDFs (sony, kindle, iPad, etc) can access them.
Click to expand...

Yes, you could previously have viewed Jepp plates printed as .pdf on iPad.

That's not exactly the same thing as having a user-friendly, dedicated chart viewer application like Jepp Mobile TC is.
 
Does anyone here have an iPad...there is NO WAY that it would hold up to the beating it would take as an EFB. Way too fragile...thats why the currently approved EFB's are "currently approved"...because they are very resiliant. One day of use and that delicate screen would be shattered.
 
FL990 said:
Does anyone here have an iPad...there is NO WAY that it would hold up to the beating it would take as an EFB. Way too fragile...thats why the currently approved EFB's are "currently approved"...because they are very resiliant. One day of use and that delicate screen would be shattered.
Click to expand...


Here's the iPads newest problem. This won't work in a hot cockpit.
...the iPad will shut itself off after remaining in direct sunlight for long enough...
Click to expand...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/28/lawsuit.filed.overheating.ipads/index.html?hpt=T2
 
Last edited:
I think a better solution would be the Kindle, it wouldn't be so fragile and at $139, who cares. That's for the WiFi version. The battery lasts a month. Bring it inside once every 2 weeks and run an update. I'd much rather do that than leaf thru my updates manually. We've got a captain that has been trying to approach management about using the Kindle. Not sure, can it run apps? Cause if it's just PDFs that's not going to work.
 
Jepp has a program for the iPad now, just released. How long do you think it would take to get 121 approval for it? The iPad will be obsolete by that time....
 
So where is this thing plugging in to? A proprietary Apple/ARINC module? It's a pipe dream. How about buying off-the-shelf technology that's meant for professional use and not some GA toy.
 
Erlanger said:
Here's the iPads newest problem. This won't work in a hot cockpit.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/28/lawsuit.filed.overheating.ipads/index.html?hpt=T2
Click to expand...

Check the specs for ALL previously FAA approved EFB hardware systems (both Class 1 and II). Every one of them has a maximum operating temperature of 95 degrees f. The difference now is that the iPad goes standby to protect itself when exceeding 95 degrees while all the others continue operating until they hard-fail if operated overtemp long enough.

When the iPad goes into shutdown mode, it can be restored simply by placing it out of the sun (or in a cooler area) for about 3 minutes. It is much tougher than any existing EFB system (except for the Panasonic Toughbook, which is too big for normal cockpit use). The only way I have been able to get mine to overheat is to place it on the glareshield.
 
the ipad has a major problem that if you actually use it more than 24 times and not use it as table decoration, it actually explodes.
 

Share this page

Latest posts

Latest resources

Latest media

Carbon Cub FX-3 Shenandoah Valley
Carbon Cub at Kittyhawk
FX-3 in the backcountry
IFR Panel in a Carbon Cub FX-3
Cub-Provo-UT-c.jpg
Back
Top