ASA Considers iPad EFBs

[BoilerUP]

not true, they have been available in .PDF form for many years and any reader that can read .PDFs (sony, kindle, iPad, etc) can access them.

Yes, you could previously have viewed Jepp plates printed as .pdf on iPad.

That's not exactly the same thing as having a user-friendly, dedicated chart viewer application like Jepp Mobile TC is.

 

[FL990]

Does anyone here have an iPad...there is NO WAY that it would hold up to the beating it would take as an EFB. Way too fragile...thats why the currently approved EFB's are "currently approved"...because they are very resiliant. One day of use and that delicate screen would be shattered.

 

[Erlanger]

Does anyone here have an iPad...there is NO WAY that it would hold up to the beating it would take as an EFB. Way too fragile...thats why the currently approved EFB's are "currently approved"...because they are very resiliant. One day of use and that delicate screen would be shattered.

Here's the iPads newest problem. This won't work in a hot cockpit.

...the iPad will shut itself off after remaining in direct sunlight for long enough...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/28/lawsuit.filed.overheating.ipads/index.html?hpt=T2

 

[777forever]

iPad also overheats when in direct sunlight

 

[Data]

I think a better solution would be the Kindle, it wouldn't be so fragile and at $139, who cares. That's for the WiFi version. The battery lasts a month. Bring it inside once every 2 weeks and run an update. I'd much rather do that than leaf thru my updates manually. We've got a captain that has been trying to approach management about using the Kindle. Not sure, can it run apps? Cause if it's just PDFs that's not going to work.

 

[Data]

iPad also overheats when in direct sunlight

So everytime I use my iPad in direct sunlight it shuts down? That's news to me. I guess I should join the 3 people in the lawsuit...

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Jepp has a program for the iPad now, just released. How long do you think it would take to get 121 approval for it? The iPad will be obsolete by that time....

 

[Oakum_Boy]

So where is this thing plugging in to? A proprietary Apple/ARINC module? It's a pipe dream. How about buying off-the-shelf technology that's meant for professional use and not some GA toy.

 

[linder]

Here's the iPads newest problem. This won't work in a hot cockpit.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/28/lawsuit.filed.overheating.ipads/index.html?hpt=T2

Check the specs for ALL previously FAA approved EFB hardware systems (both Class 1 and II). Every one of them has a maximum operating temperature of 95 degrees f. The difference now is that the iPad goes standby to protect itself when exceeding 95 degrees while all the others continue operating until they hard-fail if operated overtemp long enough.

When the iPad goes into shutdown mode, it can be restored simply by placing it out of the sun (or in a cooler area) for about 3 minutes. It is much tougher than any existing EFB system (except for the Panasonic Toughbook, which is too big for normal cockpit use). The only way I have been able to get mine to overheat is to place it on the glareshield.

 

[CX880]

the ipad has a major problem that if you actually use it more than 24 times and not use it as table decoration, it actually explodes.

 

[Abbey]

In a recent RGT speach by SH, HE brought up the fact that ASA was looking into replacing ALL the pubs with a iPad EFB. Said the bigest stumbling block was the battery and blocking the internet.... Seems like if they are down to those hurtles, that they are pretty far along in the process... Sure would be nice to carry that insted of the 40lb flight kit! Maybe this is their solution to the W&B problems with the CRJ!

Would this alleviate the need for each pilot to pack 3 bags and flight case for a 4 day and put them all in the overheads so as to keep the paying pax from using the bins?

I just flew on a ASA flight with a full crew on DH to DTW and there was zero overhead space from row 10 back on a CRJ700. Man, you guys can really pack some stuff. Its comical watching you guys pulling your trains of bags around in ATL. Pink or green tags, or whatever they are for you guys, learn to use them. You can even go down and get them yourself with your SIDA badges!!!

 

[79%N1]

Would this alleviate the need for each pilot to pack 3 bags and flight case for a 4 day and put them all in the overheads so as to keep the paying pax from using the bins?

I just flew on a ASA flight with a full crew on DH to DTW and there was zero overhead space from row 10 back on a CRJ700. Man, you guys can really pack some stuff. Its comical watching you guys pulling your trains of bags around in ATL. Pink or green tags, or whatever they are for you guys, learn to use them. You can even go down and get them yourself with your SIDA badges!!!

You ever heard of rampers losing a crew member's bag on day 1 of a 4 day? Sorry, but the bags stay in the cabin - where the company say's they are supposed to be! Thanks for the tip, though.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Would this alleviate the need for each pilot to pack 3 bags and flight case for a 4 day and put them all in the overheads so as to keep the paying pax from using the bins?

I just flew on a ASA flight with a full crew on DH to DTW and there was zero overhead space from row 10 back on a CRJ700. Man, you guys can really pack some stuff. Its comical watching you guys pulling your trains of bags around in ATL. Pink or green tags, or whatever they are for you guys, learn to use them. You can even go down and get them yourself with your SIDA badges!!!

Think I might pack an extra back as if I'm going on an excursion now. Thanks, doosher!

 

[Abbey]

You ever heard of rampers losing a crew member's bag on day 1 of a 4 day? Sorry, but the bags stay in the cabin - where the company say's they are supposed to be! Thanks for the tip, though.

You ever heard of doing a walk around after each leg? Never had my bag pulled in 7 years of commuter flying. If your policy is for you to put the 27 inch Purdy, tote, and backpack in the bins, then that is where they need to be. Tell management thanks for the job security.

 

[79%N1]

You ever heard of doing a walk around after each leg? Never had my bag pulled in 7 years of commuter flying. If your policy is for you to put the 27 inch Purdy, tote, and backpack in the bins, then that is where they need to be. Tell management thanks for the job security.

HA! Hilarious! I recently WALKED my bag from the jetbridge to HAND it to the rampers at the back of the plane, asked them to put it in the cargo bin - all with crew tags all over it - and guess what? It didn't get on! More recently, my FO's bag was on the jetbridge, and 3 different agents/rampers asked and were told this was a crew bag and it was going back on. Guess what? Someone took that bag off the jetbridge and put it on the aircraft parked at the next gate! I've had a flight attendant walk out on the ramp for the first flight of the day and put her bag on the cart. When we left, no bags on the cart......they put it in the back with all the other bags, right? Nope. Some genius grabbed it off the cart and sent it to baggage claim thinking it was left there OVERNIGHT!!!! Sorry, that plan still doesn't work, and I'm too busy on a 20 min turn to babysit bags!